Civic Hatch Gp2 Build
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Tony Peto Elite Moderator Location: Everett, WA Join Date: 12/15/2013 Age: Settling Down Posts: 25 Rally Car: 1993 Honda Civic Si |
Tubing has arrived, new seat arrives tomorrow, main hoop is bent, progress feels good man.
Also, I had no idea that shattering a quarter window sounds so much like a gunshot. Cops were outside my house in about 90 seconds flat! I still think breaking them out was easier than window wire or that HF tool. I tried both, probably misused the tools each time, then when I pulled too hard...BANG. This Honda glue is laid on thick and tough. After shattering, I used a propane torch along the glue to soften it enough to run a boxcutter around the seam. It took only about a minute to remove the seam+glass strips, and 20 more to collect the glass that will forever rattle in every interior corner. Reminder: let the pro's handle those sorts of things. This means Lexan windows for the Civic! Which still needs a name BTW... Previous owner called her Esmeralda. Meh. Anyways, looking to get the cracked windshield out a little cleaner tomorrow. I set the hoop along the B-pillar to show the fit, but it'll be offset a few inches back most likely for cabin space. Seems to fit nice n tight like. Mounting feet are next, thanks Gene for the quick feedback on those. Alright shut up and post some pictures, they said. "Just add more 'Stop-Leak', it's a Duratec, it'll be fine..." |
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Tony Peto Elite Moderator Location: Everett, WA Join Date: 12/15/2013 Age: Settling Down Posts: 25 Rally Car: 1993 Honda Civic Si |
More cage progress. More to come this week, as I skip sleep/work to get the cage wrapped up.
Creech: Thieves, consider yourselves warned. Creech is not to be fucked with. Well, at least not on his property. I'm actually delighted that the cops showed. I haven't lived in Everett long, but I know enough that the cops are my friends here, haha. So, planning on spending a few bucks on steering. The plan: Howe quickener and associated PS pump mods, possibly quick release hub if price is right. If this was your Civic, would you use a 1.5 or 2.0x quickener? Would this be your next upgrade point, assuming suspension/brakes have been improved? Btw, 3.58 is the stock turns L2L. I'm also in the market for your used 14" gravel tires, and spare 4x100 14" high offset wheels. Does anyone here use the Black Rocket hard compound gravels? Will one set last my barely streetable 130hp beast for a few races? What will $200 more dollars get me? Feelin' pretty lucky to have a few good threads on Civic-related brakes and suspension. I'll try to soak the info up more this week and come up with better questions than the newb ones circling my head right now. Great news: Mr. Michael Milos will be co-driving the Civic. I'm very excited to work with him, and have his experience on tap for OTR! "Just add more 'Stop-Leak', it's a Duratec, it'll be fine..." |
Tony Peto Elite Moderator Location: Everett, WA Join Date: 12/15/2013 Age: Settling Down Posts: 25 Rally Car: 1993 Honda Civic Si |
More pics for yous guys.
Went with the 1.5X quickener, skipping the quick release, seems like there will be enough space to get in alright. Still looking for a hub/deep dish wheel if the price is right. Tires/wheels arrived, found some CL alloys that fit, Silverstone 505's tires to match, thanks Matt Tabor for dropping those off. The seat's gonna be mounted farther back so I can recline slightly and clear everything. Pedals are now out of reach, as expected. Rather than dive into a pedal box install, I think I'll settle for extending/reinforcing the existing pedals, with attention paid towards keeping leverage ratios about equal to what they are now. Everything about this idea screams "that's f*ckin sketch", but I can't think of a good reason why not. Time/budget allowing, I might fab up a bias bar dual MC setup ditching the booster, unlikely for OTR though. Suspension: Every thread I've read has said the same thing: It'd be nice to improve the funky rear toe link trailing arm, or ditch the double wishbone front for struts, but the issue isn't big enough to require serious attention. Most WRC cars seem to run struts because the platforms they're based on run them. Manufacturers use those because they package well without sacrificing too much with regard to geometry. Maintenance seems much easier too. Might just box and spider-web-gusset the trailing arms and address it all later in the summer. "Just add more 'Stop-Leak', it's a Duratec, it'll be fine..." |
Tony Peto Elite Moderator Location: Everett, WA Join Date: 12/15/2013 Age: Settling Down Posts: 25 Rally Car: 1993 Honda Civic Si |
Okay onto springs/dampers. I've been reading Aaron Luptak and Petenaz's threads where these discussion already happened at length, lots of great info there. My takeaway is to go with off the shelf EK front and EG Bilstein HD dampers, get those revalved and spacers removed, cut the spring perches, add threaded sleeves, spring it, and go? Its my understanding that the EK fronts have a larger diameter piston than the EG.
I had a set of front and rear shock assemblies over at JVL's garage today, we noticed that the springs taper quite a bit at the perch. After reinstalling them, I checked their clearances with the upper control arms. Seems like if I use different non-tapered springs, they'll have to have the OD of the smallest taper coil? Anyone here add a longer aftermarket spring with an OEM OD? I took some pictures showing where an aftermarket spring might interfere first, and drew up the dimensions I got from the OEM assemblies. Also, at some point someone swapped the 9.5" front rotor/calipers where I should have 10.3's. "Just add more 'Stop-Leak', it's a Duratec, it'll be fine..." |
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I'd think you'd be doing the threaded sleeves & perches and the aftermarket spring at the same time - so the primary 'D' you'd need to worry about is the ID to fit the new perches. FWIW, the 2.5" ID Eibachs (that fit ground control perches) I had lying around had a near-identical OD to the main part of the OE springs. Not spring rates you'd probably use on a rally car (I think one was probably 450lbs/in), so I'd expect a softer spring would be no bigger OD.  KF7RWG 
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Tony Peto Elite Moderator Location: Everett, WA Join Date: 12/15/2013 Age: Settling Down Posts: 25 Rally Car: 1993 Honda Civic Si |
Aaron Luptak Godlike Moderator Location: SLC Join Date: 02/15/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 776 Rally Car: Civic... |
looks like you've got at least 1/4", that should be plenty... 
The 7" eibachs are on some ottercross suspension that doesn't have much droop. I'll try to remember to double check on my "new" stage car that has eibachs and ground control sleeves, but I don't believe there's any evidence of contact there. This may be a chassis-specific issue though - probably worth asking some of the others running EGs. KF7RWG
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