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1988 Porsche 911 Turbo

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Re: 1988 Porsche 911 Turbo
February 08, 2014 12:02AM
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Well, those Fords are being built "waaaaaaaaaay badder" than back in the day too.

But I agree. Porsches in general aren't great cars. What IS great about them was the factory support for racing, the high profile of the factory race cars (fan-boi-ism), and the expense and alure of the cars.

Today there are so many better ways to build a competition car.

But of course.
Back when they were current--it really wasn't "factory" Fords or Portches, it was 'well equipped shop built" for both, and 'course today both are built to crazy spec and artistic perfection . So alles egal, oder was?

Hej jason, what can ya tell me about cages round your briar patch?



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Re: 1988 Porsche 911 Turbo
February 08, 2014 09:41PM
They both get built now but in all honesty the coolest thing and the thing that held the 911 back most was being air cooled it just didn't allow the car to get enough out of itself.



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Re: 1988 Porsche 911 Turbo
February 09, 2014 12:44AM
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They both get built now but in all honesty the coolest thing and the thing that held the 911 back most was being air cooled it just didn't allow the car to get enough out of itself.

If you want to know things often you must not listen to fans and anhängers )which is actually 'trailers' but I like to joke. an auf Deutsch is same as Englisch 'on' and hänger ist from hang--something or somebody in this case who 'hangs-on'= and listen to those who have nothing to gain, they can--if they choose--speak honestly

No really it was a typical German thickheadedness.
Herr Doktor F Porsche designed the motor--particularly the head und it is darfür perfektes! Mit fantastisches "flow" thanks to very large valves considering the bore size
Here you see the problem clearly:


Look at zylinder eins und zwei zu rechts.
See the nearly 90o angle zwischen die beide ventilen?

Big angle like that meas a large open combustion chamber...to make any compression more than 7:1 you must put on the top of the piston a giant dome. Bad for flame front propagation

Look at the combustion chamber:



No attempt even at anything like a quench pad. Bad...
And until 4 valve heads finally made it onto German vehicles very typical*...

These thing limit what the motor can stand for compression and hot spots and detonation can only be held at bay in a adavance 1920s design like this via lower compression..

And as we all know, there is a direct realtionship between engine volume and torque

Here is what was beating them even on clean dry asphalt and much less cylinder volume:

That is as good a head made anywhere in the world for 1968---indeed it was basically one bank off a Ford Cosworth F1 V8 motor.

Look at the valve angle. around 44.5 to 45o, nice compact combustion chamber, generous quench pads...detonation not a big problem with a head like that and pistons with little bitty domes like these:


Ford had Cosworth make the iron block BDA in 1968, the 1800 in 75 and the all alloy BDG in 1976. Little difference to a Duratec head in this decade.
Porsches' only option was to increase engine size since they insisted on retaining the archaic head design--as did BMW with their 2 valve junk---and Opel, and Mercedes..

In this history was repeating itself. Just30 years before their solution was 3 valve head VERY SIMILAR in design to the Porsche ideas and it became this:
DB601 at 34 liters and alter
DB603 at 44.5 liters
against
Rolls Royce Merlin at 27 liter...

Ideed when they finally realised that they were too dogmatic, too rigid, too uncreative to design a good head, the Germans at BMW, Opel and Mercedes all with the Northhapton and paid Cosworth to save their schinken.



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Re: 1988 Porsche 911 Turbo
February 09, 2014 01:35AM
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...Hej jason, what can ya tell me about cages round your briar patch?

What do you want to know? We're completing an unfinished cage in a WRX to be RA legal. Building a new RA Open Class car. Jeff is getting out of it after 100AW this year, so it's likely the last time we'll run the SAAB. We've got one of the guys at the shop trained up and putting in cages now, he's pretty meticulous. The Pikes Peak STi is getting a couple additional bars in the cage and a new engine and gearbox.



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Re: 1988 Porsche 911 Turbo
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...Hej jason, what can ya tell me about cages round your briar patch?

What do you want to know? We're completing an unfinished cage in a WRX to be RA legal. Building a new RA Open Class car. Jeff is getting out of it after 100AW this year, so it's likely the last time we'll run the SAAB. We've got one of the guys at the shop trained up and putting in cages now, he's pretty meticulous. The Pikes Peak STi is getting a couple additional bars in the cage and a new engine and gearbox.

Well a coupla boys in the Houston area are buying cars at this very moment and want to start building. I dunno fer nuthin who's doing what down there.



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Re: 1988 Porsche 911 Turbo
February 11, 2014 03:49PM
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...Hej jason, what can ya tell me about cages round your briar patch?

What do you want to know? We're completing an unfinished cage in a WRX to be RA legal. Building a new RA Open Class car. Jeff is getting out of it after 100AW this year, so it's likely the last time we'll run the SAAB. We've got one of the guys at the shop trained up and putting in cages now, he's pretty meticulous. The Pikes Peak STi is getting a couple additional bars in the cage and a new engine and gearbox.

Is Jeff selling the car?
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Re: 1988 Porsche 911 Turbo
February 11, 2014 04:30PM
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...Hej jason, what can ya tell me about cages round your briar patch?

What do you want to know? We're completing an unfinished cage in a WRX to be RA legal. Building a new RA Open Class car. Jeff is getting out of it after 100AW this year, so it's likely the last time we'll run the SAAB. We've got one of the guys at the shop trained up and putting in cages now, he's pretty meticulous. The Pikes Peak STi is getting a couple additional bars in the cage and a new engine and gearbox.

Is Jeff selling the car?

After this year's 100AW, most likely yes, it will be for sale.



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Re: 1988 Porsche 911 Turbo
February 11, 2014 05:28PM
I found a Momo hub adapter today for a 74-89 Porsche 911. Retail $90, now only $45.



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Re: 1988 Porsche 911 Turbo
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Re: 1988 Porsche 911 Turbo
March 10, 2014 03:13PM
they are however, god damn sexy ass cars.



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Re: 1988 Porsche 911 Turbo
March 10, 2014 03:46PM
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they are however, god damn sexy ass cars.



For a rear-engined car, it seemed extra-appropriate.



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