Not Trolling Keith Morison Junior Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
Up until the days of SuperRally coming to Canada, there was no option to 'run for fun' in CARS events. Even today, letting someone back in randomly and un-scored isn't really allowed under CARS rules/insurance. This is exactly what led me to add on the 'Seat Time' rally to the second day of RMR, so teams that dnf'd the national would be automatically entered in a non-points event the next day (and so people without national licenses could get the full mileage) This mentality comes back to - as I understand it - the largest insurance payout in CARS history, which was a car that was allowed back in to 'run for fun.' First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 |
hoche Michel Hoche-Mong Professional Moderator Location: Campbell, CA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,156 Rally Car: Golf, Golf, RX-3 |
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Not Trolling Keith Morison Junior Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
About what? For the first 10 years I competed in Canada, if you DNF'd you were DNF... no chance of getting back in for fun. I've seen a guy cross the country, have a minor stuff on the first stage, drive the car out but be DNF for the rest of the event. Sucks hard, but ZERO leeway from the sanctioning body. From what I was told - 'cause I couldn't talk directly to them - the underwriter took a very strong position that only COMPETITORS were covered, not cars being let to run and not be scored. First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Senior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
You have to read rules by the letter of the law or chaos ensues.. So it says driver...or the car.. Din't say a thing about co-driver.... Whatever, Subaru has bought the series, really makes no difference to anything.. Accept the inevitable Really who care if it has been one of the defining characteristics of what made rally rally and not some girlieboy wank fest like say F1.. It used to be the block, heads, turbo, and other junk and stuff was plombé, sealed and paint marked..The car and many of its major components you had to finish with... John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Senior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
All these years and you still always allude to stuff. How to write like to an interested reader: Always include: who? what? where? when? how? and if you can, why? The habit of making oblique references to things you alluse to knowing details is an odd habit you have...and haven't made any visible effort to purge.. Try it again..details. Things make sense and pivot on details John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Not Trolling Keith Morison Junior Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
I know I've given the details of this in the past, it isn't exactly a secret, and is fairly widely known story... but. Ultimately, the details are un-important, as it is the results and the underwriter's position that matter. In terms of the insurance company's position - that was told to me by Terry Epp, who is on the ASN board and who deals with the insurance policy. That was after being told the same from event organizers and (then) regional director Suzanne Stewart. In terms of the incident: A top driver DNF'd an event and was allowed to continue to get seat time/testing time in the car. For whatever reason, he hit a crest, missed a corner and chose parked cars instead of people. Not going to name the driver, because the story was told to be directly by him, and I'm not entirely sure he'd want that shared. Couldn't tell you which event, 'cause it was before my time. But, first hand accounts of the accident AND the underwriter's reaction. You could 'what-if' this to death if you wanted... but what's the point. When I was on the CARS Board we added the ability for teams to 're-enter' the event with significant penalties so they could continue and get valuable seat-time if the car was able to continue. I think that is a good thing. First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 |
Gravity Fed Alex Staidle Senior Moderator Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Join Date: 08/21/2009 Age: Settling Down Posts: 1,719 Rally Car: Various Heaps |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Senior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
And that is why you are lame. Your method of communicating is that of a salesman. And that's why you earn no respect, Morison. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Not Trolling Keith Morison Junior Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
The fact I don't have your respect bothers me not one bit. You can mis-direct and look for reasons to call me out all you want, that doesn't change the facts I am presenting. I have no need to name drop, and with some of the second or third-hand stories I'm not 100% sure of the details. But the lessons and/or repercussions from the stories are what is important, not the minutia and details. Particularly in this case I was simply stating that as a result of a DNF car returning 'for fun' and hitting several parked cars, the underwriter created the condition that only 'competitors' were insured, and DNF teams running for fun weren't competitors. The details of the original incident are, frankly, irrelevant to that. On the other hand we have you, who inserts so much detail and drops so many names into your missives that 'everyone I talk to' assumes you're bullshitting on the details anyway. First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Senior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
You presented no facts Morison, just allusions.. No names, no date, no location, no dollar figure, no details of cars, or injuries or really anything. All because you, some guy fake-paternalistically decided "it's not relevant" to anything. WE, your readings are perfectly capable of deciding what is or isn't irrelevant.. THAT is what you, in your little world, fail to understand. If some people are bothered with a person establishing a foundation and background for things they try to discuss, well I guess they can go read tweets as their source of information. Nothing I can do about that. If its too much for you, that's OK, we understand you have learning and cognitive difficulties. besides, you aren't building an engine or deciding on brakes, or manufacturing and advising on suspension, or, thank god, advising people on tactical thinking or driving... You've done this sort of bullshit as your normal and standard way of communicating since day 1. Maybe you haven't noticed, but in much of the world many people don't like smug, paternalistic bullshit, especially from somebody that expects their arguments to be taken seriously.. And, unforunately for everybody, you're just too stupid to realise that this clear accurate critique of the fucked up "I know all this stuff but I'm not going to tell you, neener neener" way you don't communicate is intended to help you.. Go tweet somewhere else. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
fiasco Andrew Steere Elite Moderator Location: South Central Nude Hamster Join Date: 12/29/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 2,008 Rally Car: too rich for my blood, share a LeMons car |
Please send me $5 million dollahbucks so I can start the ARRA, and another $20 million so I can morph that into the ARRRRRRRA when I can no longer make the vig on the fleet of RVs and satellite trucks.
And when that fails, I'll start the "DSRSRT4IASZ" series (Drunk Street Racing SRT-4's in a School Zone) and clean up in Fox Sports Network royalties. Am I supposed to be posting this in the "Save Andrew Steere Lyndeborough, NH KB1PJY |
Not Trolling Keith Morison Junior Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
Ugh. I'm reasonably certain I've already said that I don't KNOW names, dates, location, dollar figure (good luck on getting that from the insurance company), details of cars, injuries, tire pressures, tire brands, gas octane, gas brand, weather conditions, blood alcohol level of driver, blood alcohol level of clerk of the course, blood alcohol level of the spectators, make of the cars hit, type of trees hit, who was or wasn't circumcised, and if that number changed as a result of the accident. What I did say is that both Terry Epp, who at the time was an ASN Canada FIA Director and directly involved with discussions with the insurance broker and underwriter, and Suzanne Stewart, who was the regional director for CARS, both told me on a number of occasions that 'DNF cars can not be allowed to run for fun because the underwriter won't insure cars that aren't in competition because the largest insurance claim in rally was from an accident involving a car that had DNFd and was running for fun.' More that a bit of ironing coming from you... #RallyAnarchyRawx First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 |
imnotcrazy Don Kennedy Mod Moderator Location: Reading, PA Join Date: 10/05/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 227 Rally Car: Impreza |
That is the biggest part that I have a problem with. Regardless of other factors/decisions, there should have been no co-driver poiints awarded. Don Kennedy |
Not Trolling Keith Morison Junior Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 09/15/2015 Age: Ancient Posts: 340 |
Points haven't been posted to the ARA site yet... so as far as we know, there won't be points given to either co-driver. (That said, I can't seem to find the championship scoring rules for ARA in their ruleset... might be having a dumb day today though.) I'd be curious, and somewhat ironic some might say, in who said there would be points going to Durant as well as when and where it was said. I'm guessing this is the internet doing what it does best. I think the only valid question is does the second place co-driver take first place points (and so-on) because the first place team didn't score. (I'd say no) First Rally attended (2000), First Rally competed in (2001) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Driver (8), Co-Driver (47), Drivers (19) Clerk (29), Steward (1), Official (17), Volunteer (5) WRC Spectator (1), WRC Photographer (6), WRC Observer (4) Rallies attended (120) Countries attended rallies in (11) Last Updated, May30, 2022 |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Senior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Sure is a long wiinded way of saying you're just repeating shit on the intra-webs that you REALLY don't know a fucking thing about.. Thanks for making it abundantly clear.. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |