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Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!

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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 06, 2012 01:46PM
my plan to save rally is for me to finish the Rx7



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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 06, 2012 01:46PM
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Rally. But there are an interestingly large number of parallels between the two. And actually, a lots of lessons in both directions.

Yep. Do we rig the whole system to serve "the 1%"?
Or to serve as coolies for Corporate Masters?

Or to serve 'a higher" , more noble purpose: growth of human consciousness?

(that is the only lasting value of all this zooming around in the woods and fawkin with recalcitrant cars in the garage)

Higher consciousness defined as "ultimate realisation' is that sharing and increasing happiness is a noble goal.
lotta parallels between life, rally and politics.



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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 06, 2012 02:04PM
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.......Higher consciousness defined as "ultimate realisation' is that sharing and increasing happiness is a noble goal.


Timothy Leary's dead.
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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 06, 2012 02:32PM
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Rally. But there are an interestingly large number of parallels between the two. And actually, a lots of lessons in both directions.

I just had an interesting conversation with someone who turned from longtime volunteer into 6+ events per year co-driver this year.

I've been seeing a ton of new volunteers out, but just as with competitors, retaining them is difficult. Immersion is key, rather than a "here is your control/checkpoint/spot to take care of and a bagged lunch, have a nice day". Unfortunately, it is very chicken and egg, you need someone that is completely dedicated to the "volunteer co-ordinator" position who goes above and beyond simply making the volunteers perform their duties.

I'm sure we'll save rally at the RallyWest AGM on the 17th though. winking smiley John will be glad to here my fighting the beast on the inside is working nicely, more news on that in a week (maybe). Also, some interesting changes may be coming to the WCRC... lots of work to be done. smiling smiley
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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 14, 2012 11:41AM
redbull episode thingy. skip to ~6:30 if jumping bikes off cliffs and talking about it isn't your thing.







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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 14, 2012 12:24PM
7:22! Rally segways!

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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 14, 2012 03:31PM
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7:22! Rally segways!

Tim.

Unoriginal - I already had this idea.



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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 14, 2012 06:34PM
Tarmac rally in Tennessee!
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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 16, 2012 02:44PM
360 degree video..
http://makingview.com/makingview.com/?page_id=23



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This isn't floor mat anarchy
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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 16, 2012 02:57PM

Novelty.



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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 16, 2012 03:00PM

John Cassidy had a setup like that in his car at Defi last year.



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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 20, 2012 09:33AM
You know who won't save rally? So, basically, he wants OTHER people to find more opportunities for HIM to get his name out and sponsor racing. Considering he is only remotely even known on the face of the fucking planet due to competing in a sport put on by UNPAID volunteers is just un-fucking-believable. Tiered entry fees is the answer to saving rally, because Leo (afaik) sure hasn't brought sweet-fuck-all to the table besides himself.

And when I pointed out it sounded like he wanted to help Keith with sponsorship for the CRC, he replies "people should do their jobs" angry smiley I have nothing to say to such an ignorant asshole. Keith has a job, and it isn't rallying. I have a job, and it sure had nothing to do with spending 6+ hours on the phone Friday over the CARS rule changes.

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If I saw Leo at Tall Pines (lucky for him, I am not going), he'd get a piece of my mind. Entitlement at its finest.

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As last year we won arguably the most challenging rally in North America, I was going to write about how awesome our team is, but then I realized that only my mom would read that, so I changed my mind.

A much better story would be to talk about a small miracle performed by a Toronto based production company, TV2GO. For years they have been behind awesome TV shows
covering rounds of the Canadian Rally Championship on TSN and RDS.

For the 2011 edition of the Rally of the Tall Pines, the TV2GO crew, headed by Lawrence Partington and Adam Dowsett, decided to demonstrate what can be done when it comes to modern rally broadcasting. They pulled together 21 volunteers and professionals, two satellite trucks, a mobile editing suite, 7 additional cameras, over 4 kilometers of fiber cable; and put together a ridiculously cool live broadcast of the whole event! While the main TV show (did I say that it was awesome as well?) is sponsored by Subaru and Yokohama, this live broadcast was paid for by TV2GO themselves.

Live satellite transmissions went from the event to servers in Toronto and then to the web. It started with the exciting start ramp interviews hosted by Paul Chater himself. Fans and families at home could witness drivers’ and co-drivers’ emotions LIVE! Then the action moved to the first stage of the rally. The stage was wired with crazy equipment and was buzzing with members of the TV2GO team. That stage was covered live, at a level unseen by the North American rally fans before. People at home, from all over the world, experienced being a part of the action as champions such as David Higgins, Patrick Richard, and Antoine L’Estage, pushed the limits with their fire breathing Open class monsters.

Then there was more coverage from the stages, reports from the service park, interviews of team managers and organizers – the whole place was vibrating! At the end of it all, they aired the finish of the last stage almost in real time!The fans had a unique chance to witness the moment when Martin Brady and I learned that were able to hold off the might of Subaru Rally Team USA and take the overall victory. Then there was an emotional champagne podium ceremony with a lot of passionate fans celebrating with us.

I have been around the sport of rallying in Canada for seven years: first as a spectator, then as a competitor. 2011 Rally of the Tall Pines was the first time I have seen someone come up and follow through with an awesome new initiative that definitely helps to grow the sport. As someone who loves rallying, I would like to thank TV2GO and personally Mr Partington for doing this. My family over in Russia would also like to thank TV2GO, because for the first time they were able to experience the thrill of our amazing sport at the same time we were fighting through the stages!

This live broadcast put Rally of the Tall Pines on a new level of international recognition. There were just over 10,000 unique views on the webcast site. Of these 50% were Canadian and 50% international. That was with very little promotion for the webcast. It was only announced a few days before the rally because it was a "proof of concept" rather than a promotional exercise. Organizers of the event reported that they were getting feedback from Ireland, Australia, Singapore, and Bangkok – which hasn’t happened before. Isn’t that what we want for our championship…International recognition, so that teams from across the world will come and try their best on our truly awesome roads?

I would like to ask the great and experienced people who are in charge of the sport in Canada and the US, why hasn’t anything else like this been done before, or after? Why aren’t initiatives like live broadcasting supported? Why are we not using the enormous financial potential of North America? Why does the Canadian Rally Championship have only 900 twitter followers, while Travis Pastrana, who has been involved in rallying in North America, has 540,000?

There are groups that are trying to do something: for example, Maple Leaf Rally Club, which organizes the Rally of the Tall Pines, is not only quite successful at getting sponsors onboard, they’ve also build a mobile app for the event. But there’s no centralized effort and one regional club can’t do it all.

If we truly love the sport, we will keep raising these questions, and I hope one day someone will step up and do something about it, just like TV2GO did.
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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 20, 2012 04:01PM
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You know who won't save rally? So, basically, he wants OTHER people to find more opportunities for HIM to get his name out and sponsor racing. Considering he is only remotely even known on the face of the fucking planet due to competing in a sport put on by UNPAID volunteers is just un-fucking-believable. Tiered entry fees is the answer to saving rally, because Leo (afaik) sure hasn't brought sweet-fuck-all to the table besides himself.

And when I pointed out it sounded like he wanted to help Keith with sponsorship for the CRC, he replies "people should do their jobs" angry smiley I have nothing to say to such an ignorant asshole. Keith has a job, and it isn't rallying. I have a job, and it sure had nothing to do with spending 6+ hours on the phone Friday over the CARS rule changes.

Stick around a little longer. This sport is full of this type of person. They are usually critical of how things are being done, do jack shit to change or improve anything, and almost never last more than a couple years. They aren't the ones that turn into volunteers, organizers, shop owners, etc. though typically so at least we don't have to deal with them for long.



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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 20, 2012 07:07PM
I don't know where the post came from, but reading it in a vacuum, to me it seems like he's giving props to a group that took some initiative and did a live broadcast - showing its possible. If anything, maybe its a little jab at the RA guys who've promised similar things and haven't pulled it off yet - maybe they will if the sanction fees double? winking smiley Like he said in the first sentence, he could've just fluffed his ego with something about himself/car/sponsors, but instead took the space to thank a group who did something unique.

Me personally, I've taken zero interest in anything Leo's done since the first "press release" that went on and on about getting a ride in a 500hp rally car...

Now back to debating if more coverage is truly beneficial to the long term interest of the sport...

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Re: Oooo! The next "this will save rally" is almost here!
November 20, 2012 11:04PM
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I don't know where the post came from

Facebook, via Leo.

TV2GO is to be applauded, no doubt, but that live tv coverage came out of THEIR pockets (ie. they sponsored the effort FOR the CRC/Tall Pines/competitors).

While I didn't really care one way or another, it was the reply to the suggestion that Leo not ask what others can do for him/the sport, but what he can do for it, and that I am sure Keith would love any help he can get in securing sponsorship (10-15% finders fee on the line, incase anyone is wondering). His answer was that people should do their jobs and not require others to do it for them, which is not only ignorant, but a slap in the face to anyone that has ever volunteered. That's all.

I personally am rapidly coming to the realization that the sport is only the sport and will only continue to be so as long as there are lots of grassroots teams competing. Based on the way either RA or CARS (or NASA) receives it's funding, the easiest way (up to the limit an event can handle) for rallying to grow is still by more competitors. The cool thing is that the more people compete, the "fanbase" will naturally grow with it.
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