what kind of lube does JVL use?

jameseshepherd Wrote:
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> Bel Ray has 18 different greases with about 3
> different grades each (or 54 different
> possibilities) that are "waterproof"
>
> Any specific type / marking etc. on the grease?
>


http://www.bobscycle.com/browse.cfm/4,10556.html

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Lurch
Eric Burmeister
The west coast...of Michigan

eyesoreracing Wrote:
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> I just walked into the local motocross shop and
> bought what they had. They run in the same
> conditions I do, so I'm hoping they use the right
> stuff.
>
> Now, how much clearance on my bushings? Where the
> hell is JVL?
>
> VOLVOS SUCK, they're heavy, overly complicated,
> you can't get good suspension for them, and no
> self-respecting rally driver has ever wasted his
> time in one!
>
> That should bring him out...
>
> -D

I'm quite sure that he uses a Shell Oil moly grease like this:

http://www.shellusserver.com/products/pdf/SuperDuty2.pdf

They make 5 or 6 different variations of moly grease though so I might have picked the wrong one. Works fine in my struts though.

-Tim

eyesoreracing Wrote:
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> I just walked into the local motocross shop and
> bought what they had. They run in the same
> conditions I do, so I'm hoping they use the right
> stuff.
>
> Now, how much clearance on my bushings? Where the
> hell is JVL?


He's nursing a bad eye injury in the left eye. BooBooAnna was getting attacked by the Tickle Spider and to defend herself she threw a book which had some collateral damage: big nasty scratch in the cornea. Feels like "Welding Blindness" when you roast off the outer layer, horrible pain like a large piece of gravel under the eyelid.
And I'm sick. I think. Big fever and blinding headaches anyway--maybe related.


Clearance: shoot for .0015-.002
What did you do for bushings.
>
> VOLVOS SUCK, they're heavy, overly complicated,
> you can't get good suspension for them, and no
> self-respecting rally driver has ever wasted his
> time in one!
>
> That should bring him out...

You're Right!
Had it all 'plained to me by a Rx7 guy that the RX7s are so cheap people pay you to take them away, the motor cost nothing to build cause they're always perfect and never brake, the top of the line suspension cost only 800 bucks and the Rx7s records of wins is vaster and more extensive than any other car out there world wide.

Live and learn, eh.


>
> -D

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

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CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

john vanlandingham Wrote:

> He's nursing a bad eye injury in the left eye.
> BooBooAnna was getting attacked by the Tickle
> Spider and to defend herself she threw a book
> which had some collateral damage: big nasty
> scratch in the cornea. Feels like "Welding
> Blindness" when you roast off the outer layer,
> horrible pain like a large piece of gravel under
> the eyelid.
> And I'm sick. I think. Big fever and blinding
> headaches anyway--maybe related.

Damn, that sounds like tons of fun. Been there with the welder's eye. Not so much with the book eye. Tickle spyder should maybe wear safety glasses...

> Clearance: shoot for .0015-.002
> What did you do for bushings.

Thanks. Haven't done anything yet. I'm trying to gather info so I know what I'm looking for. Got any recommended sources? And what are those bushings called? What about the material?


> You're Right!
> Had it all 'plained to me by a Rx7 guy that the
> RX7s are so cheap people pay you to take them
> away, the motor cost nothing to build cause
> they're always perfect and never brake, the top of
> the line suspension cost only 800 bucks and the
> Rx7s records of wins is vaster and more extensive
> than any other car out there world wide.

Face it, John, you're just popularizing this "suspension travel" junk because you're out to make a buck. We all know its true.

-D

They're often called DU (r) bushings and are available from Applied.

www.applied.com. Keyword search for du and punch in your sizes.

ferexample:

https://www.applied.com/apps/commerce/catalog/catalog.do?e=10&s=2966653&r=0&type=a&mp=5040DU

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Lurch
Eric Burmeister
The west coast...of Michigan



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/18/2008 01:49PM by Lurch.

Perfect, thanks Lurch! $7 each!

-D

No prob.

Try to find the right size if using these DU jobs. Don't rely on machining them in to size. These typically have a teflon coating on them that would get machined off if you did that.

Mic your inner tubes and make sure they aren't too wacked. Also, as JV says roll them on a surface plate with a light bulb behind them to check if they're bent. If they're bent enough to matter, you'll see it by doing this.

Party on.

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Lurch
Eric Burmeister
The west coast...of Michigan

Lurch Wrote:
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> No prob.
>
> Try to find the right size if using these DU jobs.
> Don't rely on machining them in to size. These
> typically have a teflon coating on them that would
> get machined off if you did that.
>
> Mic your inner tubes and make sure they aren't too
> wacked. Also, as JV says roll them on a surface
> plate with a light bulb behind them to check if
> they're bent. If they're bent enough to matter,
> you'll see it by doing this.
>
> Party on.


Further to this:
When I do bronze bushings, I shoot for the .003-.004 crush on the OD. cause i will be boring the ID once its in.

For you you have to think ofhow you're going to size the ID.
It SEEMS to idicate that these things have a SINTERED BRONZE material, I sday SEEMS TO.

Whell I just had to eat about 300 bucks worth of bushings and install tools etc cause the sinter bronze things the "other guy" at the counter at Applied said was the only thing they could get with the dims I wanted---desp[ite me PLEADING to "Look under the counter for the skinny Symco quick reference brochure"--- prove to be too soft and in use would loose the crush and move.

Oddly, when my "normal guy" was back at the counter, he listened, looked under the counter and lo and behold there were nice tough easy machining bronze bushings.


The real question Dave is WHAT IS YOUR EXACT TUBE ID.
HOW WILL YOU DO FINAL SIZING?
>
> Lurch
> Eric Burmeister
> Greatlakesknowitallatlarge
> Dee-troit
> Still work at Ford...for now...check back
> tomorrow.
> Not anymore. Fired.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

If they used commercially available sintered bushings with teflon coating like Protracs do, and the ID of the outer tube is machined to the standard listed in the bearing specs for "press fit," no "sizing" should be required.

Still worth a check for fit before you just slam everything together, but you being an egghead engineer and all, I don't have to worry 'bout that!

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Lurch
Eric Burmeister
The west coast...of Michigan

Yeah, thanks that Applied catalog is pretty handy!

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Ted Mendham
www.rensport.net

Unless a Mazda part, I use them for all my seals and bearings now. Gearbox, dirt bike, etc. Cheaper than Motion Industries and they have locations all over Michigan.

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Lurch
Eric Burmeister
The west coast...of Michigan

Lurch Wrote:
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> If they used commercially available sintered
> bushings with teflon coating like Protracs do, and
> the ID of the outer tube is machined to the
> standard listed in the bearing specs for "press
> fit," no "sizing" should be required.
>
> Still worth a check for fit before you just slam
> everything together, but you being an egghead
> engineer and all, I don't have to worry 'bout
> that!
>
>
> Lurch

I knew this was looking too easy... Strut bodies are 45mm (44.97mm according to my Harbor Freight calipers), and the bushings press into a 47.4mm ID housing. The only 45mm du bushings in the Applied catalog have a 50mm OD. The housing OD is only 51.5mm, so boring it out isn't an option...

-D

eyesoreracing Wrote:
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>
> >
> >
> > Lurch
>
> I knew this was looking too easy... Strut bodies
> are 45mm (44.97mm according to my Harbor Freight
> calipers), and the bushings press into a 47.4mm ID
> housing. The only 45mm du bushings in the Applied
> catalog have a 50mm OD. The housing OD is only
> 51.5mm, so boring it out isn't an option...

Now you see why I do the bronze bushings the way I do.
>
> -D

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Yea, but where on the interwebs do I find "the skinny catalog under the counter"?

-D

eyesoreracing Wrote:
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> Yea, but where on the interwebs do I find "the
> skinny catalog under the counter"?
>
> -D

how about here: http://www.symmco.com/

possibly here in da metric section? http://www.symmco.com/NewFiles/metric.html