Z600 for rally???

kinda went on that little rant after reading the Jalopnik blog posts. if there is anyhting to get worked up over its not the guys bringing stuff like Tim, its the guys who bring a "wrecked" and "rebuilt" "$500" spec miata.

yeah Jay, we could possibly have room for a driver (and allways crew) for the spokane event in july. it will be another full 24 hours, we wont miss that one. I will let you know. hopefully the MR2 will have some more "upgrades" after we got so close to 4th place at PIR, our team would really like to try for a top three finish.

not to derail this topic any more, but i think the guys on this forum could really get into crap can racing. cheaper than rally, and all your weird knowledge or old crappy cars becomes useful. I will try to round up some pics to post in my thread of the PIR event.





Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/16/2009 07:38PM by DirkaDirkaJack.

It's alive...DOB 11/18/09 1:22AM

Sounds fantastic with a 2.5" exhaust stubbed onto the bike engines tuned primary pipes. Time for sleep.

Congratulations!!

Now how bout some video?

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Michael LeCompte

Here's Tim's primary competition (at least the most technically similar):

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/tabid/59/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/1367/The-Best-Engineered-Lemons--2-the-MetroGnome.aspx

More LeMons experience, more testing, much, much worse fabrication, and probably ~400 lbs heavier and ~40 hp stronger.

We're trying to get these two cars pitted together next to us (frankenmiata) and see what happens. Hell, could be a 6-wheeled 3-engine monster by the end!

-Dave

P.S. my apologies to those of you using IE on a PC. I'm sorry both for your terrible choice of computing equipment, and for the fact that this story seems to show up all goofy on your crappy GM software. We've got our best guys on it...

correction: my apologies to those of us with good browsers. now that we "fixed" it for IE, it's lame on everything else. I hate Bill Gates...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/18/2009 08:48PM by eyesoreracing.

DirkaDirkaJack Wrote:
> not to derail this topic any more, but i think the
> guys on this forum could really get into crap can
> racing. cheaper than rally, and all your weird
> knowledge or old crappy cars becomes useful. I
> will try to round up some pics to post in my
> thread of the PIR event.

I'm not entirely sure about the "cheaper" part.

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

It is cheaper. Cheaper to build and MUCH cheaper to maintain.

For our frankenmiata, we spent about $200 to build the car (made so much from our parts car it nearly paid for the whole thing).

2nd race, we spent $30 on rod bearings, $20 on an oil cooler, and $60 on synthetic oil

3rd race we spent nothing on the car.

4th race we finally changed the oil.

We typically use 4, 14" street tires per race. Takes about 3 races to use a set of pads. Still running the used rotors we found with the car.

Entry fee is slightly higher than rally, but its split between 4-6 people.

We don't own a truck or a trailer, we own a hitch ball and we borrow the rest.

Building the car is more fun. Looking around the pits is more fun. Driving isn't nearly as much fun, but it's the most fun I've had on pavement. Nothing really compares to gravel...

-Dave

Safety equip is the most expensive part and most of you should have all that stuff. I had to buy shoes and gloves. That and borrow a GD full face helmet. Grr.

great amounts of fun to be had for relatively few bills. Our little TE-86 Corolla was a hoot when it was actually out on the track.

Must say I was quite surprised to not here more chatter on here before the Chump at PIR.

As for Tim's build. Wow great work! I think this IS the spirt of the rules. Knowledge, and a great shop, are power. have all of your documentation, receipts together and you should be fine. Now I've gotta go recruit a machinist for our team.

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Zap zap my ass...

eyesoreracing Wrote:
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> It is cheaper. Cheaper to build and MUCH cheaper
> to maintain.
>

I am not privy to our team's finances and I don't know what I am at liberty to divulge, but from looking at what I know was spent, last year I estimate it was $4000 to show up, and we didn't use any of the stack of tires and jugs of fuel so those were sold off to recoup expenses.

That was showing up with the previous year's car. I count all entry fees in that number, it's part of what it costs to be there isn't it?

Entry fee, towing, hotel, team dinner, etc all add up fast. I think the car itself was $100 and prep consisted of putting a cage in it and making sure it had fluids and brake pads and stuff.

So cheaper than stage rally? Perhaps, but not very much so.

I don't know what this year cost at all, or even how well we did... when I realized that the expenses were going to be out of my league I shut the team out of my mind entirely. Can't talk about what you don't know, after all.

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Pete Remner
Cleveland, Ohio

1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing)
1978
Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.



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$4000 divided by 6 drivers?

And how much to do the next race?

-Dave

Have you ever done a stage rally Pete? I do it on the cheap and still have to count on at least $2000 for the weekend.
Good article by the way Dave. Was definitely a fun and interesting read and it displayed just fine on IE on my PC running Vista.

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Grant Hughes

It's always seemed to me like a 4G63 or similar transfer case to a driveshaft to a normal rear diff would be the best way to make a motorcycle powered front engine RWD car. Of course, never looked much into it at this point in time. It'll be a while before I can get a Hayabusa engine for the Starlet.

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Grant Hughes

I have pictures of a hayabusa engine in a starlet from that rally I went to in New Zealand. Pictures aren't that great, but you get the idea for how it should be done. The installation was very clean. They spent the big bux and even had a quaife reverese box.

I can dig up pictures when I get back from LeMons, but the short version is: replace the output sprocket with a u-joint and just run a driveshaft. Engine mounts longitudinally.

I think they ended up needing an unusual final drive, but I can't remember if it was unusually tall or short. I think it was tall. It was an Escort axle at the back, but the gears came from old ganny cars and they were having some problems breaking them. (this is all secondhand chatter overheard in a spectator area a few hours after I actually talked to the mechanics.)

-Dave

eyesoreracing Wrote:
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> I have pictures of a hayabusa engine in a starlet
> from that rally I went to in New Zealand. Pictures
> aren't that great, but you get the idea for how it
> should be done. The installation was very clean.
> They spent the big bux and even had a quaife
> reverese box.
>
> I can dig up pictures when I get back from LeMons,
> but the short version is: replace the output
> sprocket with a u-joint and just run a driveshaft.
> Engine mounts longitudinally.
>
> I think they ended up needing an unusual final
> drive, but I can't remember if it was unusually
> tall or short. I think it was tall. It was an
> Escort axle at the back, but the gears came from
> old ganny cars and they were having some problems
> breaking them. (this is all secondhand chatter
> overheard in a spectator area a few hours after I
> actually talked to the mechanics.)

I've watched much video of that car! That's exactly what I was thinking for the sprocket. Just a U-joint on both ends short driveshaft going to a 4G63 transfer case or something similar.
There was a japanese Pike's Peak unlimited car that had this crazy setup where I think they used three or four of the transfer cases to get power around to where it needed to be. I might have a picture around somewhere...

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Grant Hughes

I don't understand the purpose of the transfer case. Are you proposing AWD with 70 lb-ft of toruqe?

Are you just using it to turn the output 90 degrees? The NZ car has a longitudinal engine, so the driveshaft goes straight down the tunnel with no funny business.

-Dave

Yep. And that makes way more sense. I just wasn't sure if engine could get low enough safely to sit longitudinally which was why I thought of the transfer case. Obviously longitudinal placement is way better.
I've never touched anything two wheeled other than the less power than a lawn mower 50 cc Honda Ruckus engine.

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Grant Hughes