New Build up for suggestions and some head ups Or even Khuddo's

I bet by the time he's done building this car, Open Light will allow turbos anyhow.

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Grant Hughes

Lol ya I totally overlooked that making my post totally my bad. But I think a 300-350awhp light vehicle with a lot of options often overlooked may stand a chance, and if does decent hell I may learn a thing or two and try moving into turbo and more than likely fail but I believe its worth a shot, start low work it up. Its all a learning process with this car, I'm well familiar with the handling of it, so why not try. Hell its the construction zone for gods sake. Why not take the "unknown, I do have recourses most wouldnt believe but I'm more than willing to throw them out. People say its not possible, hell an AWD escort gt most believe to be impossible, but I know for a fact with some hard research and some good fabrication anything is possible. Hell people are sticking big block Chevy motors in hondas to race them down a quarter mile. Why not an EGT AWD in a rally race, seems illogical but it can be done.

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Not What You Build... It's How You Built It

"It can be done" does not make it a good idea.

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Robert.

"You are way too normal to be on Rally Anarchy." Eddie Fiorelli.

All I hear is "blah, blah, blah, engine masturbation, engine masturbation, blah, blah, blah..."

You are approaching this rally car build completely backwards. Engine is the last thing you should care about. Rollcage, chassis, suspension is what you should start concentrating on first. Decent skidplate and then maybe a transmission that won't blow up into a million pieces the first time you let out the clutch. You can't run a turbo your first few events anyway so no sense in worrying about how many ball bearings it has right now. Start with the basics, the foundation. As you learn to drive you can add power along the way. A stock engine will be enough to get you in trouble when you are first starting out.

This project needs more:

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Andrew Steere
Lyndeborough, NH
KB1PJY

You're not going to get 300-350awhp out of a naturally aspirated BP; try more like 150ish if you build it up. You're not going to get it through anything with a 34mm turbo restrictor; ex-works WRC engines wouldn't, and you don't have their budget and expertise.

Nobody ever said it was impossible, we're just saying that if you want to rally, it's not a great platform, and trying to make it work anyway is a bad idea. You're going to have a collection of stuff that's either out of production, or modified to fit, and neither of those is good from a situation of having spares. If it all works, and keeps working over the length of a rally stage, and you solve the spares situation, you're going to have something with however many thousands of hours of work into it written off when you hit a tree on stage.

And resources most wouldn't believe? Here's the whole thing - if you had the resources to do it right, you wouldn't be asking the questions you are.

Dude, buy a ~$5k used rally car that's ready to roll w spares. Go rally, then rethink your one off super rare wicked fast ESCORT idea... However cheap you think it will be to build the thing, even w your secret resources, take that cost and triple it to start. Have you thought of the cost of actually competing?? Tires, fuel, tow vehicle, trailer, fuel for tow vehicle, safety equipment etc...?

Not what you talk about building, it's what you actually race...

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Less talk. More rally.

Paul, your little turbo escort looks like a nice ride! There are some guys in this place that build some amazing cars, and certainly there is a lot to learn just by floating ideas. I own a turbo miata, and owned an Open Class Eagle Talon. My current build is SUPER slow due to work, three kids etc. But I opted for a RWD car for a few reasons I'll list here. In no order here are some thoughts:
1/ An eagle talon isn't a particularly rare car, but by the time I was rallying mine they weren't common on stage. When I broke something I didnt have spares for there was no one to help me. It sucks towing 1000 miles one way to dnf that way. You have no idea the strain on the drive line in your proposed ride, and you WILL break stuff that you haven't imagined.

2/ To build a stroked BP WILL cost thousands. The naturally aspirated gains will be a handful of hp, turbo it isn't worth it. Flyinmiata sells the setup, but no one else thinks its a good idea. Actually it's a terrible idea. Just run a stock NA engine with a rally exhaust and intake. That will ve you a few hp (maybe 140). Anything over that will cost you piles and piles of $$ for very little gain.

3/ BP's take to boost pretty well. Below 250whp on stock, putting rods in there you can get a bunch more. No more than 300 with restrictor, but most likely a bunch less than that. Restrictors suck. But why even worry about it? I GUARANTEE that you wreck or otherwise destroy or fall out of love with that car before they let you run a turbo.

3/ AWD is cool, but the cars running it now (mostly) are Subies and Lancers. Proven platforms. Let me tell you that it's a pain in the ass taking these things apart to service.

4/ A FWD car gets you in the rally per rules for new guys. Goes way faster than you can handle, is easy and CHEAP to find parts for, MUCH easier to service. Want to do cool fab work? There's endless possibilities. Dual fuel pumps, stronger suspension, custom interior stuff.

5/ That's if you're dead set on escort. If not, then buy a car that's already built, or look at different platforms (threads on the subject here).

6/ Don't be a stubborn dumbass. I'm sure you have plenty of automobile experience, but your posts prove you don't know the first thing about a rally car. The most likely scenario here is that you stick to your plan and either don't ever start, or piss away 20 grand without ever getting an operational car let alone a rally car. If you do have amazing recourses and skills (unlike me) I see a nice street car.

Regardless, I wish you the best luck!

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Lol ya I totally overlooked that making my post totally my bad. But I think a 300-350awhp light vehicle with a lot of options often overlooked may stand a chance, and if does decent hell I may learn a thing or two and try moving into turbo and more than likely fail but I believe its worth a shot, start low work it up. Its all a learning process with this car, I'm well familiar with the handling of it, so why not try. Hell its the construction zone for gods sake. Why not take the "unknown, I do have recourses most wouldnt believe but I'm more than willing to throw them out. People say its not possible, hell an AWD escort gt most believe to be impossible, but I know for a fact with some hard research and some good fabrication anything is possible. Hell people are sticking big block Chevy motors in hondas to race them down a quarter mile. Why not an EGT AWD in a rally race, seems illogical but it can be done.

Nobody said it can't be done..
That you conclude that from all the carefullyworded, reasonably explained, experience voices who have tried every concievable way to make you understand, then you have comprehension problems..
I will make it very very clear so you cannot misunderstand:

Sure it can be done..
But it is an extremely pointless exercise for a rally car.
Rally like all competition is about making RESULTS, and a home built , one off, weak, shit motor, flimsy POS car costing more TIME and MORE MONEY that BETTER cars--cars with BETTER gearsets, diffs etc which are problematical anyway is so pointless that it borders on insanity.

The obstinacy you show is a good sign. Sticking with things is often a good substitute for being smart...

But when you clearly have no idea of the task at hand, and you persist despite many of us telling you we've seen the same "brilliant idea cause I got it for $200", then the obstinacy is a massive problem.

If you want to impress people, get a simple car, and drive good.

Evidently you never had any lessons in life about cost/benefit ratios, and cost includes time...
That brings us to what should be the guiding light in life and in the garage, and on stages. A pretty good credo that works for all those areas in life..

Here it is
A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow.

Carve that into some granite or slate in 12" high letters and hang it in the garage.

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Don't listen to them Pashka, show us how its done.


But honestly, unless you have a homebuilt airplane you fly around in, or won the lotto AND have your family runs a prototyping machine shop, stop fooling yourself.

Actually I think you are a troll who has been heckling us really well.

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Don't listen to them Pashka, show us how its done.


But honestly, unless you have a homebuilt airplane you fly around in, or won the lotto AND have your family runs a prototyping machine shop, stop fooling yourself.

Actually I think you are a troll who has been heckling us really well.

SO true.. Hadn't thought of that! It's not quite as absurd as saying that you want to build a 400hp naturally aspirated six-wheel drive Kia Spectra with auto tranny! But close enough..

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SO true.. Hadn't thought of that! It's not quite as absurd as saying that you want to build a 400hp naturally aspirated six-wheel drive Kia Spectra with auto tranny! But close enough..

Everytime I look in my email inbox, I go "this thread still hasn't freiking died? Fuck, things must be slow on RallyAnarchy".

Seriously dudes, give it a rest. You are either being trolled, or there is NO help for this dude in the immediate future.

We have been trolled.

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Robert.

"You are way too normal to be on Rally Anarchy." Eddie Fiorelli.

Lol well I do work 7 days a week, I do not live on this site nor any other type of social networks, but if you want to closely read through the entire thread it was more of "doggin" than helpful. To me anyway since I did come up with the suggestion. But I'm willing to test the suggestion, do why not rather test than degrade the idea of the suggestion, I know the platform may be "weak" in some sense but why not build on it? Just curious not saying anyone is wrong.

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Not What You Build... It's How You Built It

"Why not?" I think we've pretty exhaustively covered that. A lot of people who have been doing rally related stuff for years or decades have chipped in with the weaknesses of rallying custom things that have unavailable parts either because they're old or custom, and people who have rallied the platform you're looking at using parts from have chipped in with why it's not a good idea.

It can be done; with enough time and money almost anything can be done... but you don't get a weight break, horsepower advantage, or any other sort of advantage for being a unique and different snowflake. You get a whole bunch of disadvantages even before you ever make it on stage, and a bunch more after you are on stage, which have been detailed.

If you have such a hardon for it, do it anyway, whatever. Get the thing to a caged thing that moves under its own power before you worry at all about engine builds, brakes, or highfalutin suspension.

I think we're really seeing a working illustration of the Dunning-Kruger effect here.