john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
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Robert Culbertson Out of this dumpster fire Professional Moderator Join Date: 08/15/2010 Posts: 1,236 |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
2800 Euro for the pair I tell guys "Ya knoez, maybe we can't always drive like we see hero cars on the TV driving....they have different stuffs than we do" John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
BillyElliot Billy Elliot Mann Infallible Moderator Location: Royal Oak, MI Join Date: 08/11/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 557 Rally Car: 1996 Honda Civic with VTEC YO! |
One of these days I'd want to just build some crazy car. Mod the shock towers and tubs and put extra long dampers for mega travel, super wide track/body and spend all this time/money but then I wouldn't want to drive the car because I spent to much time/money on it.
At least other people who have metric tons more cash than I do put pretty pictures on the internet for me. |
Gravity Fed Alex Staidle Senior Moderator Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Join Date: 08/21/2009 Age: Settling Down Posts: 1,719 Rally Car: Various Heaps |
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Cosworth Paulinho Ferreira Mod Moderator Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: 03/15/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 721 Rally Car: Honda Civic |
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danster Haggis Muncher Infallible Moderator Location: Haggisland UK Join Date: 01/04/2013 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 409 Rally Car: VWs (for my sins) |
All looks a bit too shiny to me.
At the end of the day is it not all just about geometry, and for all that expensive kit the only thing that really matters are the points where it connects to the bottom balljoint, steering track rod end, and the strut to give the desired geometry. With a bit of thought and application one could probably make tweaks to the standard knuckles and achieve the same thing. Bling and expensive is not going to save rallying...... Disappointingly not yet a Jackass |
Cosworth Paulinho Ferreira Mod Moderator Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: 03/15/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 721 Rally Car: Honda Civic |
Wrong... not all about geometry. Hub bearing deflection is the biz. You obviously never pushed hard enough through some rough stuff only to find no brakes afterwards. Geometry is great but its not altered by much at the upright (roll center at king pin), but mostly inboard (20mm by GrA rules), what really matters is the stability of the hub at full fledge no lifts through rough areas. |
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NoCoast Grant Hughes Elite Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
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Tom B Tom B Mega Moderator Location: Douche Canoe, WA Join Date: 02/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 780 Rally Car: VW Golf |
2800 EURO.....I'm sure I'd figure out a way to break them....
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danster Haggis Muncher Infallible Moderator Location: Haggisland UK Join Date: 01/04/2013 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 409 Rally Car: VWs (for my sins) |
Fair enough regarding deflection in certain circumstances. But can't see the need to be quite so pointed regarding pad knock off and whether or not I have dealt with it thanks. I may not have because I have already upgraded the uprights on my cars from the standard fitment type and the inherent safe for public use understeering characteristic geometry they gave. I did this because the OEM geometry was shit when I measured it up. So I applied myself to look for options and proceeded to address this, and at the same time wide tracked my car and also got better brake options, a stronger upright, larger wheel bearing, and a stronger drive flange and outer CV.... We all play at different levels and I am pretty sure 90 odd percent of competition cars around the world compete without several thousand dollars worth of bespoke alloy bolted on each corner, and of course spare replacments hanging in the service van should they get damaged. That bespoke alloy upright is pretty much the 3rd evolution of the VW works type and they managed with the OEM hub for a while so I am sure it will suffice for me.
And a few mm here and there is also enough to put the tracking a mile out, but inversely it's also enough to cure bump steer and add castor or camber which all help to improve a setup without going bespoke with the huge cost that incurs. Disappointingly not yet a Jackass |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Godlike Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Just call up and order them from the Honda dealer.. Where you been, pendejo? And what bearing anyway? The Ford Transit casset type (which some use as substitute in Ford's equally gnarly old 90s GpA knuckles... Where'z wheeeze gonna get Transit wheelbearings? John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
BillyElliot Billy Elliot Mann Infallible Moderator Location: Royal Oak, MI Join Date: 08/11/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 557 Rally Car: 1996 Honda Civic with VTEC YO! |
Point with re-engineering the car... what's the point? Cody shows that you stick a mediocre motor (stock B16) with a stock trans (B16) and put it in a light car and you can kick ass.
If someone wanted to give me the money to build one, I would gladly build it. Pretty much K24 swap (2.4L, 200+ WHP), 6 speed close ratio either syncro or Dogbox, go hog wild and redo wheel tubs/suspension pick ups (similar to Burmeister's Mazdaspeed3) to swap over to a rear subaru link style setup and front suspension. Custom axles to match inner Honda splines to outer Subaru CV/Splines and added length needed for wider track. Custom suspension arms to widen the track which will allow more wheel travel and droop with the same axle angle range. Running an STi hub assembly would be the best because the hub comes out of the knuckles as an assembly with 4 bolts from the back for easy repair in services. OEM designs for the knuckles just becomes a remove and replace as a prognostic service so you're replacing them before they break/flex bad. A lot cheaper than some several thousand dollar knuckle like the one here. But at that point, might as well just get the WRC standard sequential box and mate it up to the K series and give the car 4WD... I mean the rules allow all that but it doesn't mean we need to do it? |
danster Haggis Muncher Infallible Moderator Location: Haggisland UK Join Date: 01/04/2013 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 409 Rally Car: VWs (for my sins) |
After thinking about this some more through the night it dawned on me that using my ingenuity and making my car work on the cheap is a complete waste of time and effort.
So I woke up this morning and I was just about to buy those bling bespoke uprights when I realised the weight of them is a real hinderance to the performance enhancement they are meant to give. That being the case I decided that full house carbon fibre uprights are pretty much the only way to go for the low level of fun I take from rallying. So I cashed in my lifetime savings and ordered these babies. Once I had completed the order I realised I would have to up my game and went out for a run to improve my fitness and hone my reaction time and coordination. Halfway through my run I was a little out of breath due to the constraints of my genetic makeup and the effects of 40 odd years lifestyle choices and the ravages they have made on my body. Of course my performance behind the wheel of a car is based not only on the vehicle capabilities but also by my own psycological boundaries I live by which determine the level of which I want to risk life and limb. This is a problem and will hold me back so I have decided to re-evalute this constraint and now believe the only way to reach that new physical level is to rid myself of the shackles and chains of my own human biological makeup. On return from my run I felt the replacement of the flesh and bone limbs that could get damaged in an accident was a good plan. So I fired up the chainsaw and cut off my legs and arms, the last arm was awkward because holding the saw became tricky. I got back on the phone to the carbon fibre upright company and ordered 4 bespoke replacement carbon limbs which I specced up to include laminated titanium "bones" as it seemed crazy not to add them now when I may find out a few months down the line I need to upgrade again. I am now hoping that when these new limbs arrive I should be physically in the zone. Looking at the psycho end of things now and believe a brain transplant from someone who is really good at driving is probably the next modification I need to be looking at to make the grade on the gravel...... Disappointingly not yet a Jackass |