VW Golf rally porn
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John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
I have a titanium knee. And a big titanium H on my spine... But like you I have the limits of a decidedly well used brain that has not been treated too nicely, and I don't mean slamming it on the ground hundreds and hundreds of times.. No, soon as the eyeballs stop twirling around like in some 40s cartoon, that's OK. I mean the abuse of trying to explain simple ideas and methods to the ubiquitous denizens of forums dealing with cars...and rally... poor brain....thank Buddha I can transcend this hoooey and still function.. Nothing brings you back to peace like the giggles of 2 small, cute, smart girls. I am blessed. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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Oh c'mon don't get touchy now. This rally anarchy after all.... its all fer zee fun. And yes knockback is a big issue when you're constantly using the brake to turn and correct lines etc. Brake modulation shouldn't feel like you're pressing a bicycle tire pump.
Being the 3rd evolution of the works means they HAD issues and that happened right at the time the cars actually started getting fast during the Formula 2 days.
Nobody said the geometry wasn't setup, I even mentioned the roll centre corrections at the kingpin. And castor and camber is not setup on the upright.
Gimme da numbah
Waitin on them focken bells ése. Did you end up getting a quote for 10-15? We needz to tawlc mañana.
Those weren't bad, and cheap and every Ford dealer from Glasgow to Cape Town had them in stock. Try to get something for the Siesta WRC. In fact Renault Sport built the Clio R3 using the same stuff from Renault Traffic for these reasons. |
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I am not overly bothered and as my carbon limbs post above show I don't really give a feck, but I do prefer to point out when somone assumes something without actually knowing. I just read it as a bit of a put down and a bit arrogant that's all.
I did say "whether or not" I had dealt with pad knock off and it's effects but you assume I haven't. Of course I have both in motorport and in day today vehicle maintenance. One only needs to drive a car with a failed or out of adjustment wheelbearing to be aware of how much of a problem it would be if pressing on and needing to rely and commit to the brakes.
Yeah, the works teams and cars had issues, there is a big difference between them and a clubman level car and how they are driven. But even at a low level if there is a choice to upgrade and benefit from alternate OEM parts, folks would be silly not too. A bit like the Pug 205 1.6 guys using the 1.9 uprights.
I also said I had changed my uprights. One of the reasons I did this was to alter the points at which the bottom balljoint, track rod end and strut mounting ears attach when compared to the original upright. Therefore it does have an effect on various aspects of the geometry / setup.  Disappointingly not yet a Jackass |
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So is the geometry the same between the mk3 4 bolt and vr6 uprights? I have a mixed bit of spares, and if I ever actually get on stage and bend some stuff. Upgrading to the "wide track" vr6 control arms and CV's could easily be done.
Drilling the hubs to 4X100 is no problem for me, I have a full machine shop at my disposal 
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Josh Wimpey Junior Moderator Location: VA Join Date: 12/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 649 Rally Car: Sneak the Golf |
Widetracking is easy with the Passat control arms ---these are better than the MK3 control arms and the same length. I posted a picture of them and the reinforcements needed around the ball joint somewhere before. 
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No the geometry is different. The bottom balljoint location is further forward on the mk3 GTI / VR and Corrado VR 5 stud setups. This means the wishbones used with these are different because the balljoint pickup point on the wishbone needs to be further forward. The top pic Josh has posted is the GTI / VR 5 stud wishbone. You can also see the different ARB locating bracket used with this setup too. If you tried to fit these 5 stud uprights and their taper pin bottom balljoints onto wishbones from a mk2, mk3 4 stud, the road wheel would not sit centrally in the wheel arch. For info there is an odd Passat model that uses 5 stud but with the 4 stud style upright found on mk2 mk3 and Passat 4 studs. It basically just has a 5 x 100 drive flange pressed in with it's own unique disc. IMO if widetracking it would be best to use the complete wishbones, uprights, driveshafts, ARB, and steering arms from a donor vehicle. There are subtle differences in things like driveshaft lengths because of the way the components fit and interact in use. There are 3 sets of different driveshafts all within approx 15mm lengths which one has to presume is for a good reason. EG. The upright with the balljoint further forward by design will push and pull the driveshaft in and out of the inner CV as the steering is turned. Disappointingly not yet a Jackass |
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Josh, just for clarity that is a bit ambiguous as you posted pics of two different types of arms. The Mk3 GTI / VR wishbone (1st pic) and the Passat wishbone (2nd pic) are both of heavier construction than the standard mk2 and mk3 4 stud types. But the bones pictured differ in shape from each other where the bottom balljoint is picked up to keep the wheel centred in the arch, the 3 bolts for the balljoint have a slighly different spacing, and the ARB type and connections differ. Mk2 from 1988, and mk3 Golf, and the Passat, all with the 10.1 (256mm) discs use the same uprights so more oppurtunities to source them. Make sure the 4 stud mk3 axles are of the 100mm CV type as the 90mm CV type shafts do not accept the larger CVs. And if modified to take the larger CVs the 90mm type shafts are 8mm longer which could be close to bottoming out the inner CV in the flanges. 90 and 100mm CVs are not interchangeable without work and the shafts are tough where it needs modifying. I am not trying to noise it up or have a go, only trying to clarify and explain why people need to be careful about what they source, and expecting it all to fit and work with no issues. 
I never stop learning about this stuff and today I found out in the mk3 Golf with 4 cylinder engines there are 3 different alloy engine mount brackets that alter the engine position slightly depending on whether the gearbox is an 020, 02A or Auto. And 7 different engine mounts to join that bracket to the subframe! Back to geometry. As standard the mk3 GTI / VR 5 stud setup has approx 3.5deg castor where as the 4 stud has 1.5deg. So around the 2deg extra, plus one gets the stronger outer CV joints. Disappointingly not yet a Jackass |
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Yeah, isn't some old coot always droning on and on and on and on and on about shooting for around 4 degrees o castor for the fast roads all our Norte Americano SSs are run on? I seem to vaguely recall sumpin repeated on and on and on and on and on on and on and on and on and on on and on and on and on and on on and on and on and on and on on and on and on and on and on on and on and on and on and on on and on and on and on and on . 3.5 is purdy damn near 4... John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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