Peltors no good after 12/31/2013

Sweet. Then my shiny new (last year) helmet is still legal in Canada until 4/2021. Would be great if RA accepted that rule too so I don't need to replace it here in the US of A. Or... I could sell it to a Canadian who can use if for years to come.

Anyone want to pay me some colorful monopoly money for a used for 2 hours Large Peltor G78?

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CARS just passed a rule change to recognise the BSI standard for 10 years after the date of manufacture of the helmet. If there is no date of manufacture indicated on the helmet, the expiry is 12/31/13.

All the more reason to run some canadian events, hard to believe they would implement a rule that makes sense when everyone else is willing to throw our hard earned money out the window.

The build dates are shown on the back of the god damn helmet!

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CARS just passed a rule change to recognise the BSI standard for 10 years after the date of manufacture of the helmet. If there is no date of manufacture indicated on the helmet, the expiry is 12/31/13.

All the more reason to run some canadian events, hard to believe they would implement a rule that makes sense when everyone else is willing to throw our hard earned money out the window.

The build dates are shown on the back of the god damn helmet!

Unless someone has painted the helmet or it is just rubbed off or, or, or...

So here's what I don't know (amoung other things) has Peltor seen fit to upgrade their helmets voluntarily since 1985? Snell has gone thru nearly 1/2 a dozen upgrades, improvement, changes over that period of time. You really should ask why they chose not to run with a recognized modern standard when the rest of the world did? They certainly cost enough that a little savings on certs shouldn't bankrupt them.

during discussions, the CARS Technical director said that he researched the helmet standards and found that the BSI standard was significantly further ahead than the SA standard to the point that it wasn't until the 2005 standard that they could be seen as being equal. I can't vouch for the validity of that statement beyond saying that our technical director works with this sort of document on a regular basis and understands testing and standards.

In other words - a SA2000 helmet would not nessicarily have passed the BSI standard.

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Blame is for idiots. losers.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/16/2012 03:00PM by Morison.

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during discussions, the CARS Technical director said that he researched the helmet standards and found that the BSI standard was significantly further ahead than the SA standard to the point that it wasn't until the 2005 standard that they could be seen as being equal. I can't vouch for the validity of that statement beyond saying that our technical director works with this sort of document on a regular basis and understands testing and standards.

In other words - a SA2000 helmet would not nessicarily have passed the BSI standard.

Well I've tried to do that in the past and never could find any accessable printed info regarding the actual standard. Kind of hard to imagine that a 1985 safety standard would eclipse a 2000 safety standard if for no other reason the manufacturing techniques and materials that have have changed during that period. Funny that CARS would buck FIA on this standard and not the HNR issue.

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Anyone want to pay me some colorful monopoly money for a used for 2 hours Large Peltor G78?

G78's sell for about $450cdn now from what I understand as they are getting blown out. I know someone who'd buy it for under $400 if you wanted to part ways with it...

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Funny that CARS would buck FIA on this standard and not the HNR issue.

Is there data compiled in North America (or even worldwide) as to the cause of death in rallying accidents?

Have the helmets not been doing their jobs? The need to have standards updated is various. The HNR situation (in my mind) is because there was a safety issue that wasn't addressed by the current equipment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HANS_device

(an interesting read)

Helmets, on the other hand, have been doing their job (I'd think) of protecting the ol' noggin. Keith, I forget how the situation with insurance/sanctioning/etc works with CARS, but do they not deal with the FIA (I seem to remember someone once mentioning it was Terry Epp being one of the person's who worked on that sort of thing)? Who gets the final say in what flies and what doesn't (the insurer)?

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...I forget how the situation with insurance/sanctioning/etc works with CARS, but do they not deal with the FIA

Not Quite.
ASN Canada FIA, Canada's ASN or FIA recognised motorsports sanctioning body, negotiates a blanket policy for all amateur motorsoport events that are sanctioned by it or one of its territories. (WCMA is a territory of ASN Canada FIA)
Neither the broker nor the underwriter are as knowledgable in motorsports as ASN or its territories. They accept that the governing bodies will make the right decisions when it comes to safety and operations and write policies on that basis.

That leaves the onus to make reasonable rules to the people who have the knowledge to do so. Great - you say - spaghetti noodle cages for all. Not so fast. If ASN and the territories didn't make 'reasonable' decisions I am sure the broker and/or underwriter would have second thoughts.

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Blame is for idiots. losers.

So somehow negating an FIA decision and supporting an obscure 1985 standard is considered reasonable? I'm afraid I don't get that one and I'm glad you and I aren't any part of that decision.

im curious about my Hutchens Hybrid since i see no mention of in in the file on the FIAs page for neck restraints. Lots of HANS though. But the Hybrid has an FIA tag. So im confused.

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Definitely subscribed to this topic, bought a brand new Peltor G78 last year and only have one event on it. I'm not going to be a happy camper if NRS and RA won't allow these past 2013.

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im curious about my Hutchens Hybrid since i see no mention of in in the file on the FIAs page for neck restraints. Lots of HANS though. But the Hybrid has an FIA tag. So im confused.

Technical List 29 is the list of FIA 8858-2010 compliant H&NR (or Frontal Head Restraints (FHR), in FIA-speak). The second item on the list is Safety Solutions SSI Contoured Med. Every other item on the list looks like a HANS model to me, so I guess that is it. What does the FIA tag say for the Homologation No.? FHR.002.10-B?

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409industries
Definitely subscribed to this topic, bought a brand new Peltor G78 last year and only have one event on it. I'm not going to be a happy camper if NRS and RA won't allow these past 2013.

RA is definitely not allowing them after 2013, NRS who knows? Maybe Anders? With the way NRS is doing business they may well allow leather football helmets...

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With the way NRS is doing business they may well allow leather football helmets...

That's for the Stage Coach class!

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Seriously tho...

1990 Snell: 150 joules (energy) and 110j and 300g resultant peak acceleration(all anvils),
BS 1985: 141j and 70j and 300g for the flat anvil, 123j and 63j for the sphere anvil.

Kind of seems Snell 1990 surpassed BS 85 in the impact numbers. So someone would have to exceed BS quite a bit to match Snell minimum from what I see. IF Peltor was so clairvoyant as to be able to match a standard that was 20 years in the future they should have seen the FIA ruling coming....they must have a couple Mayan engineers on staff.