Screw Chumpcar and Lemons racing-why can't we FolkRace?

Building the beater for multiple series would be the hot ticket..as Mark Holden notes in that 2nd SS thread I posted:

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(Mark Holden) Yup. And around here, one could run the same car in a handful of different kinds of events (beater-x, SCCA RallyCross, IIRA ice racing) if one went a bit farther than the basics for the cage.

Heck, you could run the car in RallyCross (SCCA), build it for ChumpCar, and then after the local ChumpCar events, the Beater-X events, and finally run it in IIRA next winter. It would be toast by the end of all that, but imagine a full year of multi-discipline racing with a vehicle outlay of maybe $3,000 (to build a cage, etc. to ChumpCar and IIRA standards, otherwise it could be under $1,000). It'd be like 17-20 days worth of competition.

Keep the car something stupid/simple/cheap/common (Escort, Cavalier, Sentra, Corolla, etc, probably not a Civic as they tend to be completely out of line cost-wise around here) and even your maintenance costs for all that racing wouldn't be too bad.

You'd probably end up spending more on tires. "

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Yeah-seeing all the stupid stuff they do that has nothing to do with racing at LeMons-I'd run ChumpCar instead of that if I were gonna cheap-roadrace....

Pretty much. Chump is more about racing, LeMons just deposits money into organizers pockets. Makes me wish I had the idea.

I still have my Integra I plan to build as double duty STL/Chump rules but it will have a rally legal cage and will likely become my tarmac car if it doesn't get beat up in wheel to wheel.

Of course to do road racing focus I'd have to give up a year of forest rallying.

Chumpcar doing double duty at Colorado Hill Climb Association...

https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/944781_10201528707157639_126010387_n.jpg

There is no reason that a smartly built Chumpcar can't double duty in some stage rallying.

The problem with beater cross to me is a few fold.
1) I don't want to race a Neon, Pontiac, etc.
2) I don't want to put in multiple days/nights of working on a race car that will be very very quickly destroyed. (Yes, I know there is a risk in rallying of writing off a shell in the first race, but the nature of the race doesn't shortly destroy it.)
3) I don't want to race in a series where the biggest factor is probably luck.
4) I will not build a cage for someone to race in a series of that nature that seems to not follow international standards for safety. I won't race a car similarly.
5) Safety equipment, suspension components, and such are not something to be skimped on.

Seriously though, if Chumpcar is too expensive for you, you cannot afford to race at that level. There are plenty of people that race autocross and/or rallycross that are perfectly content with the level of competition, money, etc. that are required and I fully respect that. There is never going to be a similar mid-level mid-cost competition of sorts that bridges the gap between rallycross and stage rally aside from TSD rallies, which have even less organizational barriers but don't seem to be common or rapidly growing.

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Chumpcar doing double duty at Colorado Hill Climb Association...

https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/944781_10201528707157639_126010387_n.jpg

There is no reason that a smartly built Chumpcar can't double duty in some stage rallying.

The problem with beater cross to me is a few fold.
1) I don't want to race a Neon, Pontiac, etc.
2) I don't want to put in multiple days/nights of working on a race car that will be very very quickly destroyed. (Yes, I know there is a risk in rallying of writing off a shell in the first race, but the nature of the race doesn't shortly destroy it.)
3) I don't want to race in a series where the biggest factor is probably luck.
4) I will not build a cage for someone to race in a series of that nature that seems to not follow international standards for safety. I won't race a car similarly.
5) Safety equipment, suspension components, and such are not something to be skimped on.

Seriously though, if Chumpcar is too expensive for you, you cannot afford to race at that level. There are plenty of people that race autocross and/or rallycross that are perfectly content with the level of competition, money, etc. that are required and I fully respect that. There is never going to be a similar mid-level mid-cost competition of sorts that bridges the gap between rallycross and stage rally aside from TSD rallies, which have even less organizational barriers but don't seem to be common or rapidly growing.

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.............The problem with beater cross to me is a few fold.
1) I don't want to race a Neon, Pontiac, etc.



Yeah...Grant....you seem like a Chevy Cavalier type of guy.............





2) I don't want to put in multiple days/nights of working on a race car that will be very very quickly destroyed. (Yes, I know there is a risk in rallying of writing off a shell in the first race, but the nature of the race doesn't shortly destroy it.)



Good point......




3) I don't want to race in a series where the biggest factor is probably luck.




I can see that to some point.
I haven't watched too many of these races,but I'll bet the better drivers in beaterx still win more consistently than than the occasionally lucky ones..same could be said for folkrace..



4) I will not build a cage for someone to race in a series of that nature that seems to not follow international standards for safety. I won't race a car similarly.
5) Safety equipment, suspension components, and such are not something to be skimped on.


Valid points,but the speeds aren't high here....


Seriously though, if Chumpcar is too expensive for you, you cannot afford to race at that level. There are plenty of people that race autocross and/or rallycross that are perfectly content with the level of competition, money, etc. that are required and I fully respect that. There is never going to be a similar mid-level mid-cost competition of sorts that bridges the gap between rallycross and stage rally aside from TSD rallies, which have even less organizational barriers but don't seem to be common or rapidly growing..

Well you guys have posted what you spend on Lemons/chumpcar stuff.

We know the beaterx entry fees are almost nothing and the build is around $1000...

So it DOES appear that the costs of running a Beaterx car WOULD bridge the gap-cost wise-between playing in a parking lot and Chump/Lemons...

But if you don't like the cars/rules/safety/damage/jumps/hanging out with rednecks than its a moot point....

And I could see spending substantially more building the car for running rallyx/beatercross/chumpcar/ice racing/hill climb(if they'd let that pos on course) with the same car,but I'd never take a nice stage rally car and beaterx it-no...

But honestly-I don't think the stockish nature of the beaterx rules would let you build a multi-use car easily,now that I think of it.

It appears you'd have to bolt back on stock suspension and remove any go-fast parts-for the beaterx racing..pull glass out and remove head and tailights etc.... eff that.

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I don't want one of these near us in Colorado. Because then I'd have to find a way to build another car.



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That''ll do..and a distinct lack of redneck........

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That''ll do..and a distinct lack of redneck........

not enough dirt for my tastes.

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That''ll do..and a distinct lack of redneck........

not enough dirt for my tastes.

Not enough anything for my taste in the video. No audio and at 30+ seconds I had yet to see anything worth nearly a minute of my time...

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That''ll do..and a distinct lack of redneck........

not enough dirt for my tastes.

Not enough anything for my taste in the video. No audio and at 30+ seconds I had yet to see anything worth nearly a minute of my time...

True-the video itself blew..waste of time ...but the venue ain't bad...and true-more dirt would be nice..but I'd do this....

Obviously these cars are prepared to a higher level$$$ -compared to the shitboxes in beaterx,rolling w ranch, etc.

But these cars could easily be used in other Types of racing if properly built.

Substitute the moto-x track talked about earlier for your local road race track(or possibly roundy-round plus some dirt)....

Here's some 2wd in-car from NJMP..I keep thinking it's me in front of the fiesta we're in because my blue Focus looks similar...

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That''ll do..and a distinct lack of redneck........

not enough dirt for my tastes.

Not enough anything for my taste in the video. No audio and at 30+ seconds I had yet to see anything worth nearly a minute of my time...

True-the video itself blew..waste of time ...but the venue ain't bad...and true-more dirt would be nice..but I'd do this....

Obviously these cars are prepared to a higher level$$$ -compared to the shitboxes in beaterx,rolling w ranch, etc.

But these cars could easily be used in other Types of racing if properly built.

Substitute the moto-x track talked about earlier for your local road race track(or possibly roundy-round plus some dirt)....

Here's some 2wd in-car from NJMP..I keep thinking it's me in front of the fiesta we're in....

Isn't that the guy that did STPR and came like dead last so he advertised his "fully prepared Focus" for a million dollars so he could buildf a Fiesta which was as slow as his "fully prepared Focus" and advertised that for another million dollars?

And people are saying rednecks are bad?

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That''ll do..and a distinct lack of redneck........

not enough dirt for my tastes.

Not enough anything for my taste in the video. No audio and at 30+ seconds I had yet to see anything worth nearly a minute of my time...

True-the video itself blew..waste of time ...but the venue ain't bad...and true-more dirt would be nice..but I'd do this....

Obviously these cars are prepared to a higher level$$$ -compared to the shitboxes in beaterx,rolling w ranch, etc.

But these cars could easily be used in other Types of racing if properly built.

Substitute the moto-x track talked about earlier for your local road race track(or possibly roundy-round plus some dirt)....

Here's some 2wd in-car from NJMP..I keep thinking it's me in front of the fiesta we're in....

Isn't that the guy that did STPR and came like dead last so he advertised his "fully prepared Focus" for a million dollars so he could buildf a Fiesta which his was as slow and advertised that for another million dollars?

Dunno..was more paying attention to the course..let me check...

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Good eye..I didn't even notice..

But I remember the add which had a stockish Focus on KYB's for 9 million dollars-oh here it is last names the same-I think it's his brother?

http://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?7,70037

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Naw, it ain't that much fun, especially with shit-box shit cars..
Several times I've attacked moto-cross courses with some innocent unsuspecting Saab---which unlike the POS little shit box junk comes with nice 15" wheels, and has stock gearing at 4.88 so it has some axx.
And it was funny as hell but the honest truth is 2 times we had been smoking some pretty good spliff---and the other time we had eaten huge handfuls of Psilocybin 'shrooms...ahhhh my mid 30s...how i miss those days.. Well it could have been early 40s too---tee heee!

So maybe if they allowed---no! I got it!
Maybe if they MANDATED that you be like on shrooms or waaaaaaaaaaay stoned then bouncing along in some slow no-powered thing on the edge of losing control and flipping on the side at any second could be "entertaining"..

Fortunately according to Wiki:
Psilocybin[nb 1] (/?s?l??sa?b?n/ SIL-?-SY-bin) is a naturally occurring psychedelic compound produced by more than 200 species of mushrooms, collectively known as psilocybin mushrooms.The most potent are members of the genus Psilocybe, such as P. azurescens, P. semilanceata, and P. cyanescens, but psilocybin has also been isolated from about a dozen other genera. As a prodrug, psilocybin is quickly converted by the body to psilocin, which has mind-altering effects similar to those of LSD, mescaline, and DMT. The effects generally include euphoria, visual and mental hallucinations, changes in perception, a distorted sense of time, and spiritual experiences,.
Some users of the drug consider it an entheogen and a tool to supplement practices for transcendence, including meditation and psychonautics.[/color]"

Now i personally believe that the main and lasting value of what we do when playing with cars or bikes or ski or whatever---if we do it long enough and challenge ourselves is just this very last thing--the reach for trancendence, so maybe mandatory 'shroom prepped beater-cross could be a good developmental step on that road...


Folk-race having watched a few is impressively fast. They get going.. Gearing is found by many guys who get good cars that came with 15" who just go to 13", guys mill heads 2-3mm and use reground cams nastier than is common here on rally cars--and the tracks are Folk-race tracks---smoother for the innocent cars, wider, generous radius turns..

Not saying something like Beater-cross" is bad, or can't be done, but bouncing up and down in first, bog in second and getting stuck, unless on good drugs, doesn't seem it would be sustainable..

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