Morison Banned Ultra Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Does it matter if those motors subsequently die before they finish their first event? so, how many rallies have you actually driven in? (I've heard it is less than a dozen) More germane to the topic: How many Production or Production GT cars have you run in Rallies? Relevant to MY comment: How many PGT Subarus have you run in rallies? I've run 34 events in Subarus, not sure of the PGT/Open mix but mostly PGT, and not a single engine failure. Except that I'm not trolling you... This started simply enough with me trying to find out why you have an irrational dislike for Subarus. You ask me if I've built a subaru engine - which is irrelevant since people who run PGT Subarus don't normally NEED to build engines. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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Morison Banned Ultra Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Bwahahaha Oh God... how to show you don't have a clue in one easy, misguided sentence. Young: definately Insecure: Not a word that comes to mind when talking about Adam Fat: Again, not a word that I think I'd ever hear used to describe Adam Loser: Well, he didn't win Big White last year so... Desperate to belong: uh... no Repeats whatever 'everybody' else says: once again, well off the mark A wise-ish man once said: "Ever try sticking to things you KNOW, not believe you know?" First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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Gravity Fed Alex Staidle Junior Moderator Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Join Date: 08/21/2009 Age: Settling Down Posts: 1,719 Rally Car: Various Heaps |
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MConte05 Matthew Conte Elite Moderator Location: St. Louis, MO Join Date: 06/27/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 257 Rally Car: 1991 Subaru Legacy Turbozzzzzz |
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heymagic Banned Senior Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Of course for you ever thinking beyond the most superficial is a foreign idea. So naturally all of those things wouldn't occur to you. Simplistic much? John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
John Reed John Reed Senior Moderator Location: Portland, Oregon Join Date: 06/09/2012 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 176 Rally Car: Toyota AE86 |
Now they can combine G2/G5 into one 2wd class and things will be nice and simple, with lots of people in each class.
John Reed John Reed Racing www.johnreedracing.com johnreedracing@gmail.com |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Moronson I drove 9 rallies including a little more than 1/2 a WRC (that half was longer than 2 of the average rally at the time) in one year, and I was doing it just for fun. There was no compulsion to do more.. Thereafter till 1997 averaged 3-4/year... so like everything you hear, from where ever you hear it, it was wrong.. Idiot You're such a creature of the Inter-net and base as I stress all your opinions on superficial impressions that you think "debate" is the way everybody learns things.. I know any even simple analysis of how people discuss is an idea totally alien to you but look at the stupid Focus thread. Gene made what are called assertions basically "the Focus is good because it is newer---and a bunch of bullshit that I should look at newer stuff" I posted dimesniosn, sizes, lengths and said (in various ways at various times) "Look at the figures, wheelbase, width, weight, construction details of the suspension....caliper sizes, disc sizes, gear ratios, PRICES......and you'll see it is basically a '88 Golf" One a vague assertion The other details.. Now I am sure you missed it but posting details and dimensions means I have looked at it in detail... Again grounded experience means more than "I haven't seen any problems" rational people know that something is good or bad or indifferent IN COMPARISON to something else... And it should be unnecessary to say it but general "popularity" means doesn't mean something is GOOD, especially when it is an anomalous popularity far out of step with nearly everywhere else that is more developed market... So if i poke at the really marginal quality and strength of the EJ engine, and you are unaware of why and have no real knowledge of those motors details--how weak the rods are, how weal the crank is, how narrow the mains are...because you never been inside of one---much less anything else..of course you will think that just like you, other people say things on essentially irrational grounds....classic projection... Now there ARE good things about the whole product line: The Lego-ability and the scores of cars bought by foolish young guys who crash 'em and break 'em and park 'em.. So the fact a guy can find a older anything and accumulate some later better parts, that is a GOOD thing.. But that doesn't alter that the motor is a time bomb or that good reliabilty is a very expensive proposition. The EJ20 motor I built for Dave Hintz went like a clock for a whole season and he won a Regional Championship with it.... Following year, first event it yanked a wrist pin right out the bottom of a piston.. The replacement 2.2 'way cooler' engine did the same at first event it went to.. I didn't do the second engine..an enthusiastic Subie friend did... Who can say? We can build them good---then somebody else installs them, maybe don't prime 'em, somebody else sets up the management... Who can say. But the main point is that your "I've never seen a problem" is just your limited, not very aware, no idea what good or bad or indifferent is is not a "rational" conclusion, it's just a uniformed observer's casual opinion.. and thus worthless. Why do you presume others are as flaky and slap happy as you are? John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Anders Green Anders Green Senior Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Mod Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
WOW! 2 events they had a full field of 2 cars! Coolio! B-spec rulez! John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
BJosephD Brian j Dyer Mod Moderator Location: southern maine Join Date: 05/01/2009 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 381 Rally Car: 04 Rocky Mountain MTB... |
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Morison Banned Ultra Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
What happened to the other half of the WRC event? Motor let go? Which is why I ASKED the question you still haven't answered, except in a purposely vague way. And you think that just because you assert something it is true. I believe - as I think you do - people learn by asking questions, listening to and critically evaluating the answers. Nope, didn't miss it. In fact, your attention to these details and your seemingly encyclopedic knowledge of things - It's almost as if you had some device near you that you could simply retrieve virtually any information you wanted at will - is why I continually tell people that you are an excellent resource and have a lot to offer.
I won't for a second suggest I know anything about the relative quality of build or design of the Subaru engines. I won't say you're wrong when you say they could be done betterer, strongerer - I don't doubt that is the case. All I'm saying is that even if you think the OEM engines are marginal, they do get the job done, and done reliably and well, in even a relatively aggressive PGT trim. (as in a 32mm choked, production car with the bad gearbox ratios being able to easily beat ANY of your hottest open class drivers from the PAC NW.) Why do you presume others are as flaky and slap happy as you are?[/quote] First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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NoCoast Grant Hughes Godlike Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
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KTurner Kevin Turner Mega Moderator Location: Newark, DE Join Date: 01/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 364 Rally Car: 2wd Impreza... dude you should do an sti swap |
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