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ding-dong production (class) is dead

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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 10:10AM
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When you've built 10-20 motors...
Does it matter if those motors subsequently die before they finish their first event?
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and have run them and done something and are not just a schmuck with a keyboard yapping about shit you know nothing about...
so, how many rallies have you actually driven in? (I've heard it is less than a dozen)
More germane to the topic: How many Production or Production GT cars have you run in Rallies?
Relevant to MY comment: How many PGT Subarus have you run in rallies? I've run 34 events in Subarus, not sure of the PGT/Open mix but mostly PGT, and not a single engine failure.


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You are one of the stupider people I have had the displeasure of being trolled by.
Except that I'm not trolling you...
This started simply enough with me trying to find out why you have an irrational dislike for Subarus. You ask me if I've built a subaru engine - which is irrelevant since people who run PGT Subarus don't normally NEED to build engines.



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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 10:21AM
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In other words reality vs the "opinions' of a young, insecure, fatloser who is desperate to belong to a group, that he mindlessly repeats whatever "everybody" else says...

Bwahahaha
Oh God... how to show you don't have a clue in one easy, misguided sentence.
Young: definately
Insecure: Not a word that comes to mind when talking about Adam
Fat: Again, not a word that I think I'd ever hear used to describe Adam
Loser: Well, he didn't win Big White last year so...
Desperate to belong: uh... no
Repeats whatever 'everybody' else says: once again, well off the mark

A wise-ish man once said:
"Ever try sticking to things you KNOW, not believe you know?"



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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 10:22AM
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You ask me if I've built a subaru engine - which is irrelevant since people who run PGT Subarus don't normally NEED to build engines.

Just like Admiral Ackbar, you have had this insight a bit too late.



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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 10:23AM
anywho, when will they pay contingency for the BRZ



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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 10:31AM
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anywho, when will they pay contingency for the BRZ

Shoot the guys at VTCar who handle the Subaru contigency an email, and they probably would change the verbage to include it in the payouts.
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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 10:42AM
Choking on coffee thanks to all of you...
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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 11:07AM
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In other words reality vs the "opinions' of a young, insecure, fatloser who is desperate to belong to a group, that he mindlessly repeats whatever "everybody" else says...

Bwahahaha
Oh God... how to show you don't have a clue in one easy, misguided sentence.
Young: definately
Insecure: Not a word that comes to mind when talking about Adam
Fat: Again, not a word that I think I'd ever hear used to describe Adam
Loser: Well, he didn't win Big White last year so...
Desperate to belong: uh... no
Repeats whatever 'everybody' else says: once again, well off the mark

A wise-ish man once said:
"Ever try sticking to things you KNOW, not believe you know?"

Of course for you ever thinking beyond the most superficial is a foreign idea.
So naturally all of those things wouldn't occur to you.
Simplistic much?



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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 11:16AM
Now they can combine G2/G5 into one 2wd class and things will be nice and simple, with lots of people in each class.



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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 11:46AM
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When you've built 10-20 motors...
Does it matter if those motors subsequently die before they finish their first event?
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and have run them and done something and are not just a schmuck with a keyboard yapping about shit you know nothing about...
so, how many rallies have you actually driven in? (I've heard it is less than a dozen)
More germane to the topic: How many Production or Production GT cars have you run in Rallies?
Relevant to MY comment: How many PGT Subarus have you run in rallies? I've run 34 events in Subarus, not sure of the PGT/Open mix but mostly PGT, and not a single engine failure.


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You are one of the stupider people I have had the displeasure of being trolled by.
Except that I'm not trolling you...
This started simply enough with me trying to find out why you have an irrational dislike for Subarus. You ask me if I've built a subaru engine - which is irrelevant since people who run PGT Subarus don't normally NEED to build engines.

Moronson I drove 9 rallies including a little more than 1/2 a WRC (that half was longer than 2 of the average rally at the time) in one year, and I was doing it just for fun. There was no compulsion to do more.. Thereafter till 1997 averaged 3-4/year... so like everything you hear, from where ever you hear it, it was wrong..
Idiot

You're such a creature of the Inter-net and base as I stress all your opinions on superficial impressions that you think "debate" is the way everybody learns things..

I know any even simple analysis of how people discuss is an idea totally alien to you but look at the stupid Focus thread. Gene made what are called assertions basically "the Focus is good because it is newer---and a bunch of bullshit that I should look at newer stuff"
I posted dimesniosn, sizes, lengths and said (in various ways at various times) "Look at the figures, wheelbase, width, weight, construction details of the suspension....caliper sizes, disc sizes, gear ratios, PRICES......and you'll see it is basically a '88 Golf"

One a vague assertion
The other details..
Now I am sure you missed it but posting details and dimensions means I have looked at it in detail...

Again grounded experience means more than "I haven't seen any problems"
rational people know that something is good or bad or indifferent IN COMPARISON to something else...

And it should be unnecessary to say it but general "popularity" means doesn't mean something is GOOD, especially when it is an anomalous popularity far out of step with nearly everywhere else that is more developed market...

So if i poke at the really marginal quality and strength of the EJ engine, and you are unaware of why and have no real knowledge of those motors details--how weak the rods are, how weal the crank is, how narrow the mains are...because you never been inside of one---much less anything else..of course you will think that just like you, other people say things on essentially irrational grounds....classic projection...

Now there ARE good things about the whole product line: The Lego-ability and the scores of cars bought by foolish young guys who crash 'em and break 'em and park 'em..
So the fact a guy can find a older anything and accumulate some later better parts, that is a GOOD thing..

But that doesn't alter that the motor is a time bomb or that good reliabilty is a very expensive proposition.

The EJ20 motor I built for Dave Hintz went like a clock for a whole season and he won a Regional Championship with it....
Following year, first event it yanked a wrist pin right out the bottom of a piston..
The replacement 2.2 'way cooler' engine did the same at first event it went to..

I didn't do the second engine..an enthusiastic Subie friend did...
Who can say? We can build them good---then somebody else installs them, maybe don't prime 'em, somebody else sets up the management...
Who can say.

But the main point is that your "I've never seen a problem" is just your limited, not very aware, no idea what good or bad or indifferent is is not a "rational" conclusion, it's just a uniformed observer's casual opinion..

and thus worthless.

Why do you presume others are as flaky and slap happy as you are?



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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 11:47AM
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http://www.rally-america.com/champ_standings2?Endo=1&Class=8&Champ=0&yr=2013

No, no, no, Carl, it said this was just about undersubscribed classes. Pay attention, will you?



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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 11:54AM

WOW! 2 events they had a full field of 2 cars! Coolio!
B-spec rulez!



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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 12:00PM
Just build the parts and shut the fuck up.
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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 12:28PM
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Moronson I drove 9 rallies including a little more than 1/2 a WRC...
What happened to the other half of the WRC event? Motor let go? hot smiley

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...so like everything you hear, from where ever you hear it, it was wrong... Idiot
Which is why I ASKED the question you still haven't answered, except in a purposely vague way.

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You're such a creature of the Inter-net and base as I stress all your opinions on superficial impressions that you think "debate" is the way everybody learns things.
And you think that just because you assert something it is true.
I believe - as I think you do - people learn by asking questions, listening to and critically evaluating the answers.

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One a vague assertion
The other details..
Now I am sure you missed it but posting details and dimensions means I have looked at it in detail...
Nope, didn't miss it. In fact, your attention to these details and your seemingly encyclopedic knowledge of things - It's almost as if you had some device near you that you could simply retrieve virtually any information you wanted at will - is why I continually tell people that you are an excellent resource and have a lot to offer.

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So if i poke at the really marginal quality and strength of the EJ engine, and you are unaware of why and have no real knowledge of those motors details--how weak the rods are, how weal the crank is, how narrow the mains are...because you never been inside of one...

I won't for a second suggest I know anything about the relative quality of build or design of the Subaru engines. I won't say you're wrong when you say they could be done betterer, strongerer - I don't doubt that is the case.

All I'm saying is that even if you think the OEM engines are marginal, they do get the job done, and done reliably and well, in even a relatively aggressive PGT trim. (as in a 32mm choked, production car with the bad gearbox ratios being able to easily beat ANY of your hottest open class drivers from the PAC NW.)

Why do you presume others are as flaky and slap happy as you are?[/quote]



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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 12:31PM
No B-Spec love for the BRZ? You can find them for under $20k already so they are like STI cheap. Next big thing, screw your silly Fiestas.



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Re: ding-dong production (class) is dead
November 19, 2013 01:28PM
just remember the FR-S sells 3 to 1 over the BRZ



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