NoCoast Grant Hughes Senior Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
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KTurner Kevin Turner Ultra Moderator Location: Newark, DE Join Date: 01/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 364 Rally Car: 2wd Impreza... dude you should do an sti swap |
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NoCoast Grant Hughes Senior Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
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imnotcrazy Don Kennedy Super Moderator Location: Reading, PA Join Date: 10/05/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 227 Rally Car: Impreza |
Just got done rebuilding an EJ motor (160,000 miles on a used car we bought with a bad bearing because someone didn't take car of it) and have built other EJ motors. So although I'm not an engineer. I'm also not stupid or uneducated. You've got 5 mains on a split case, 3 pretty hefty and 2 not as wide. With the overall design of the motor, I don't agree that they're "narrow". Got 268,000 on my 96 DD and only had one head off to replace a dropped valve giude. The only problems I've had with my EJ rally car motor that I've been running for 13 years, were ones I created myself. Subaru sure does have the oiling down pat. Don Kennedy |
AaronJMcConnell AaronJMcConnell Ultra Moderator Location: Evergreen Colorado Join Date: 04/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 76 Rally Car: Subaru Impreza |
John,
You're mental health is rather sad. Reach out and get some help, take a vacation, step away from the internet and this unhealthy one dimensional life that has made you so miserable. SERIOUSLY!!! You are correct that an open deck ej205 doesn't have much going for it. There are many other Subaru engine creations that are very worthwhile and have had great success in the sport that brings us all together. Split case aluminum boxer engines require more precision in machining and assembly than the cast iron inlines that you're used to like bda's, yb's 4g63's, 3sgte's, etc. Knowledge of torque plate cylinder honing, case half milling and align bored journals are requirements for a successful Subaru rally engine build. David Higgins would not have won the Rally America championship this year in a Saab 96. |
alosix Jason Powers Elite Moderator Location: Lyons, CO Join Date: 08/02/2011 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 326 Rally Car: 02 WRX, still to quiet, but it finished a rally |
yeah.. but isn't that mostly because some artificial scarcity of the BRZ vs the FRS? http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/20/subaru-brz-scion-fr-s-lead-list-of-fastest-selling-cars/ thought for building one to race its probably a tossup since anything that makes the 2 different would likely get binned. I'm glad to see production gone. Having thought about building a car to PGT specs and then just moving on to slOPEN the car is just easier to built to be maintainable. * slOPEN <- running an 'open' car with a bone stock motor/drivetrain...
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DaveK Dave Kern Professional Moderator Location: Centennial Join Date: 07/11/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 1,085 Rally Car: Compact M3 & Evo IX |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
My mental health is fine. Just sick of stupid/ignorant people talking shit. It would be a sign of deteriorating mental health is the whining and loud arrogant jabber of fools did NOT annoy one.. And Aaron all these things you mentioned have all been around before with some other split light alloy case junk that had equally maniacal fans ... And the point is if they were any good, they would not require all that, plus a new crank and rods and pistons and bigger case studs.. Give me a break. Ever sat a aircooled VW crank next to an EJ STOCK crank.. Want to venture a guess which is stronger? And forged steel? John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
czwalga steve czwalga Infallible Moderator Location: Pittsburgh, PA Join Date: 09/16/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 376 Rally Car: 95 awd celica |
Subaru giving $300 off entry fees to regional competitors is more than enough to offset these engine short falls. Especially when most of them on running stock'ish engines that hold up fine. For the rallys I run thats $600; you could put a new engine in every year for the difference.
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heymagic Banned Mega Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
Really might be you John. Really. Asking why you hate Subes isn't stupid, you usually give plenty of input even when not asked. Asking about center diffs isn't stupid, you just have no first hand experience rallying an AWD car.
Subes are just fine. Air cooled VWs rarely saw 100k in 40-60 hp trim. Subies rarely die before 300k..like many junk Jap cars. We certainly changed a bunch of EVO engines for a certain national guy , anything boosted can be broken. Glad to see P-Class gone myself !! |
Morison Banned Junior Moderator Location: Calgary, AB Join Date: 03/27/2009 Age: Ancient Posts: 1,798 Rally Car: (ex)86 RX-7(built), (ex)2.5RS (bought) |
Why does it matter? One thing that's been proven is that Subies, in stock-ish trim - are reliable over the long haul. A 'built' motor can be shredded up by anyone for any number of reasons. Some might sat stronger is better but in practical terms strong enough is just as good. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
I don't? Geeze, I thought those diffs sticking out of the sump in my black car had halfshafts going out to the front wheels..And since it has a rear diff too and I made of point of getting the 9095486 'selected 50 N/m' so called pumped up center diff. And i went to all the trouble to make the front diffs up to motorsport spec drilling and tapping the stock 6mm screw holes out to 8mm, red Locktiting in M8 studs like this (oh shit I have spares in different ratios!) Then making "gravel spec" ground flat strengthening plates and then going to all the trouble of very carefully drilling the covers to make the fit a light interference fit I was all proud of myself making these things stronger, cause lord know with the grip in a AWD car there's more stress seen by the box. But maybe you're right I don't have any first hand experience with AWD.. But wait...What's this thing sticking out of my sump? And this car seemed to have diffs and halfshafts at both ends too, just like my black one. And I do seem to remember some long distance calls to a guy so I could pass several guys---both Subie and Misterbitchy along to people who could mod their viscous diffs, Somebody I first spoke with back in 91? 93?
And as far as anybody I've talked to locally with their AWD cars and supposededly AWD "ex-spurts", nobody was familiar how they worked and importantly, what to do to get them to work correctly for gravel--aside from "Buy this".. Gee but maybe you're right, I those cars I own and have built aren't AWD (they just have front diffs and axles and center diffs but aren't real ) so no first hand experience...
except when the cranks break in half, or the rods bend, or they leak, or the pistons burn, or the studs pull out... The poor kid dropping off a motor for a nice warming up said he'd done 2 different engine rebuilds because they popped, so I guyss he was jst unklucky.. He sure seemed to feel a lot more confident about the size and stoutness of the Volvo stuff... Whatever, they work fine but they are not "fine" they are barely adequate without a lot of expensive work. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
KTurner Kevin Turner Ultra Moderator Location: Newark, DE Join Date: 01/27/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 364 Rally Car: 2wd Impreza... dude you should do an sti swap |
Who knows.... Link to FT86 Forum with sales number comparisons I guess it's more 2.6:1 to date. they'll just be more used scions as a result and they are the same where it counts. -KTurner Stomp down on the exhilarator and hold on to the wheel. |
heymagic Banned Mega Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
First hand experience...you have rallied an AWD car ? And stop with all the anecdotal phone call to the White House or Kremlin crap, it impresses no one over the age of 10.
You really should take a step back and look at the large number of people who at one time or another take issue with your constant online abuse. No one is really questioning your machining abilities, car setup maybe. Limited slow SAAB fwd experience, no RWD, no AWD , ever get a podium out here? Ever win an event out here? Ever get past seed 2 out here? Quit trying to be the only answer and voice of rally. You're not. Try just being the good old helpful guy people need, not the asshole people don't. No one posts on here solely for you pleasure or displeasure. this is a community and some of us happen to like some of the others. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/19/2013 08:34PM by heymagic. |
Anders Green Anders Green Mega Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
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