Who do these goons AKA Rally America think they are

Hey jvl, where's that posted? do you have a link or something?


yeah, this sounds retarded, but I'm wondering if its directed at folks/organizations not involved that just want to pull images off a website or whatever for who knows what.

I wonder this because:
"may only be used for promotional purposes upon written permission of Rally America and the athlete(s) depicted in such image(s). "

...why would you need your own permission to use images that you're in? Legally, this is full of loopholes, makes no sense, and has no bite. Most likely, lawyers did not write this.

---

Jon Burke - KI6LSW
Blog: http://psgrallywrx.blogspot.com/



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2008 11:08AM by Jon Burke.

Anders, Mark and Greg are doing a tremendous job in the NASA ESRC in keeping grassroots rally alive with no BS, well run, low cost events and great roads. Looking foward to another fun season.

Btw, I was listening to an interview of Edwards and realized his voice is a dead ringer for Mark Bowers, uncanny.

Saabfarm Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> >
>
> Btw, I was listening to an interview of Edwards
> and realized his voice is a dead ringer for Mark
> Bowers, uncanny.
>
>
Now that you mention it, you're right..spooky...

OK, so we want more nasa events. Here in the NW seems like nasa has at least a bit of a toehold. How do we go about trying to get as many rallies as possible run under thier sanction? I REALLY wanna see 'em all be nasa events. I'll really be hacked off if wildwest is RA, cuz damn that was a fun event last year.

---

Jay Woodward
Snohomish, WA
'90 Mazdog Frankenprotege
Chronologically, 46...

john vanlandingham Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The dipwads have announced Kurtie Spitzer's old
> bullshit about using photgraphs of your own car
> yourself in any advert or whatever as violating
> THEIR assertion that those cocksuckers own all
> images of your own car during an event that you
> get to pay over a 1000 bucks to enter......


You care? Why?

I think it's funny. I'm laughing my ass off this morning.

Jon Burke Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hey jvl, where's that posted? do you have a link
> or something?
>
>
>
Can't miss it now on SS.com
You know it seems that even multi-millionaire can be ignorant, short sighted putzes when out of the area where by whatever luck, hard work or WHATEVER they made their millions.

In short I guess Havir never heard the Louis B Meyer (of MGM) saying (which is really true for a little sport like ours "Any publicity is good publicity as long as you spell the name right"

Classless fools.

---

John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Last week someone was on SS.com whining that others shouldn't take photos at rallys and share their work for free because it cuts into his business. Now this.
Priceless!

I am a little surprised how worked up some are geting. What did they expect?

Yeah, I heard the same thing as Dave Clark, that Doug Havir was Prodrive-USA's only car customer. Cool car! I can remember drooling all over it. I would have bought three if I had the pesos and wrecked them quicker than Doug. Prodrive set up shop in Michigan, sold one car, closed up shop, I think.

I don't have anything against Doug Havir. He doesn't act any better or worse than anyone else in his position. As BB sang, he paid the cost to be da boss! Do you think he is any worse than Tony George or Bernie Eclestone?

---

Ted Mendham
www.rensport.net

Actually, I think the way things are settling out, instead of the two sanctioning bodies coming together, as was the popular sentiment just a short time ago, this is just one more thing driving a wedge between. As in RA is setting themselves up to be the exclusive playground for the "PRO"fessional ralliest (as envisioned by the Spawn of Satan K.S.) and NASA is trying to make themselves available to the average amateur club level competitor. This is not a business model with which RA can survive. If enough club level competitors jump ship and avoid RA events then there won't be enough entries for the organizers to make the event financially viable. If NASA is doing well then maybe they will switch sanctioning bodies to gain enough entries to make it feasible. But will that happen or will people just suck it up and enter RA events anyway because they like those rallies?

I don't think there's that much to like, except to hang out with Travis.

Well what can the little guy expect? If I was Niday and Havir, who would I cater to? The crusty old-fart know-it-alls who don't have any money to compete anyhow or a bunch of rich-f*cks and x-game phenoms who want to "raise the bar", are very well funded and a lot more marketable to the masses.

I include myself in the first group. Christ, I have to borrow Ken Block's check book to get a doctor to sign my medical eval, every two years, so I can stink up a few more rallies. Sponsors won't touch me. I'm old and slow. And, I never say or do the "right thing".

RA is not yer club. You are not members. they don't owe you anything. Maybe, if you were extremely well off or an x-games phenom, or at least an energy drink company executive, someone would take you under their wing and make you a part of the plan. You Rally Anachists are not on any steering commitees and never will be. It is a privilege to get a chance to pay a lot to be a volunteer or back-marker at their events and tell yer kids that you raced with Pastrana.

It almost made me cry watching rally cars get wrecked for no good reason at the last x-games. That's not my dream.

It is what it is until the time machine is fixed!

---

Ted Mendham
www.rensport.net

Doivi Clarkinen Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> But will that happen or will people just suck it
> up and enter RA events anyway because they like
> those rallies?

I think this will be the case.
In the CRS we have 3 RA rallies at the start of the year, then the last 4 are NASA. If I want to compete then I really have no choice, unless I handicap my Championship bid by missing events.

And besides, I think this is just cage rattling. Like many have said, no-one is going to stop my friends, professional or otherwise, from taking my pic and me putting it where the hell I like. If I have the facility to video and upload I'll do that too.

---

Nick Taylor.
Knobhead.
Los Angeles, CA.

Another thing I see this impacting negatively are the current RA events and their organizers. They put in all the hard hours as the NASA organizers do, so it would be a shame for them to suffer because of something RA did. Same goes for all the workers and other volunteers. I know Randy says 75% or more of all RA roads suck even though he's never competed on them, but basically what I'm saying is that your beef isnt with the events or their hardworking organizers.

(763)553-2742
CALL RA!
TELL JB HOW YOU FEEL!
20 calls a day from upset rallyists would do more good than pages of ranting on the internet.

But dont take it out on the organizers or events, I'm sure they didnt know about this anymore than we did.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2008 08:29PM by Carl S.

Did you ask the organizers how they feel about this? I can't comment as it does not apply to the regional event that I put on.

---

RichardM

The one RA national organizer that I talked to about it basically told me that US rally always has its ups and downs (over the 25 years that he's been involved) and people are usually complaining about something and it isnt much different than issues that have come up in the past that were deemed to have spelled the end for rally. Basically the feeling I got was that if it screws up his rally he'll find a way to work through it, which is all that any of us can really do I guess.

But personally I would really hate to lose ANY good event from people boycotting it due to issues with the sanctioning body and not the event organizers. If there were 20 entrants at 100aw (just for example) who would suffer? RA would still get their sanction fee and insurance fees from the 20 cars that showed up (plus all the same media attention cause the top 5 guys would still be there), but the 100aw organizers would definitely be in the hole from such a poor turn out.

I was suggesting calling RA directly because I feel that is a more effective means of communicating your feelings to them.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/09/2008 08:50PM by Carl S.

Carl S Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The one RA national organizer that I talked to
> about it basically told me that US rally always
> has its ups and downs (over the 25 years that he's
> been involved) and people are usually complaining
> about something and it isnt much different than
> issues that have come up in the past that were
> deemed to have spelled the end for rally.
> Basically the feeling I got was that if it screws
> up his rally he'll find a way to work through it,
> which is all that any of us can really do I
> guess.
>
> But personally I would really hate to lose ANY
> good event from people boycotting it due to issues
> with the sanctioning body and not the event
> organizers. If there were 20 entrants at 100aw
> (just for example) who would suffer? RA would
> still get their sanction fee and insurance fees
> from the 20 cars that showed up (plus all the same
> media attention cause the top 5 guys would still
> be there), but the 100aw organizers would
> definitely be in the hole from such a poor turn
> out.
>
> I was suggesting calling RA directly because I
> feel that is a more effective means of
> communicating your feelings to them.
>
> www.DFLrally.com
>
>
>
> Edited 2 times. Last edit at Jan 10, 2008 by Carl
> S.


if enough organizers feel a pinch about something i would think that something would have to change. i'm not saying that that's a good thing, but like others have said, if enough organizers can't put on events through r-a, it would only leave r-a with the x-games.

---

-Mark
www.nocoastmotorsports.net