What kind of cars

derek Wrote:
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> If only XR's were not so fucking butt ugly.

Get inside the car, then drive it beautifully.
It'll grow on you sorta like the 96 does.

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> See me go at:
> www.11tenths.com
> In the long run Reality always wins.

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John Vanlandingham
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96 was a design icon from the start.

Xrat is just shit for the eyes.

Xrat is ugly as fuck. But, cut out the window and throw the RS500 body kit on and it can look much better. It could be worse, it could be a Neon.

Anyone seen the results of the 1987 1000 Lakes Rally?

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Grant Hughes

derek Wrote:
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> I found tires to be a huge deal, much slower when
> on the wrong tire.
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> I know that I have a lot to learn about how to
> drive a rally car fast still, the golf was a lot
> better then most of the other cars, not so much
> me. I think there is a lot of room for improvement
> from the % Tom, myself and the CRS people have
> been doing.
>
> See me go at:
> www.11tenths.com
> In the long run Reality always wins.


I think tires are the key, we ran the wrong used tires on Saturday (mostly due to our off on the first stage of the day). We ran a brand new proper compound tire on Sunday and it showed. However we are still limited due to variety of 14" tires.

Sunday we had FAR from perfect driving. We were seeded very far down again, so passing cars was an issue, but for the most part other competitors knew that we were coming. But this is all with FAR from perfect driving.

I think a good co-driver/driver combo with great driving in a decent 2wd car on proper tires would show stage times MUCH faster than what we ran on Sunday. I think 94-97% is possible. It's a good portion money, with lots of teamwork added in.

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-Tom
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NoCoast Wrote:
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> Xrat is ugly as fuck. But, cut out the window and
> throw the RS500 body kit on and it can look much
> better. It could be worse, it could be a Neon.
>
> Anyone seen the results of the 1987 1000 Lakes
> Rally?
>
> Grant Hughes
> www.nocoastmotorsports.net
> Denver, CO


I was bored:

From <a href="http://www.rallybase.nl/index.php?type=result&rallyid=211">HERE</a>;

1 Lancia Delta HF 4WD
2 Ford Sierra RS Cosworth
3 Ford Sierra RS Cosworth
4 Audi Coupé Quattro
5 Lancia Delta HF 4WD
6 Mazda 323 4WD
7 Audi Coupé Quattro
8 Audi Coupé Quattro
9 Audi Coupé Quattro
10 Audi Coupé Quattro

also included further down the finish board...
Peugeot 205 GTI, Audi 80 Quattro, Lada 2105 VFTS, Mitsubishi Starion Turbo, Škoda 130L, Opel Corsa, Citroën Visa 1000 Pistes, Toyota Starlet, Fiat Uno Turbo, Toyota Corolla FX 16V, Audi 90 Quattro, Opel Kadett GT/E, Wartburg 353 W, Volkswagen Golf GTI, Toyota Corolla GT, Volkswagen Polo, and the Fiat Panda 45.

Neat sounding cars!

Insomnia is a horrible disease! lol

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Kirk Coughlin
Woodbury, MN and River Falls, WI

Quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.

How about the 87 final manufacturer's standings?
1 Lancia
2 Audi
3 Renault
4 Volkswagen
5 Ford
6 Mazda
7 Toyota
8 BMW
9 Opel
10 Subaru
11 Nissan
12 Fiat
13 Alfa Romeo

Best ranking 2wd car that we got in the US? VW.
Unless you want to rally a Renault Alliance...

I have driven XR's and I think the inside is Ugly too.

As street cars they drove farily good, way ahead of their time. I even drove one on the wonderful gravel roads near Seahla, WA back in the day when the car was not so old, I am thinking 1991. Still I can not get excited about pouring $18,000 into an ugly mid 80's car 20 to 30 years after it left production.

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In the long run reality always wins.

derek Wrote:
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> I have driven XR's and I think the inside is Ugly
> too.

Derek, you know my sweet wife really is not into this car thing but she said "he's driving a boxy looking Golf, and he says the Xratty is ugly? How do people decide what ugly is?"
>
> As street cars they drove farily good, way ahead
> of their time. I even drove one on the wonderful
> gravel roads near Seahla, WA back in the day when
> the car was not so old, I am thinking 1991.

Seee! It's fate! HA! You can't argue with fate!



Still
> I can not get excited about pouring $18,000 into
> an ugly mid 80's car 20 to 30 years after it left
> production.

More like 10 years after production ceased.....
At least you can start with a $400 starter car.
>
> See me go at:
> www.11tenths.com
> In the long run Reality always wins.

What the fuck Derek, get a 240 Volvo then.
The car is just a tool.

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john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> The car is just a tool.
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>
> John Vanlandingham
> Sleezattle, WA, USA
>
> Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
>
> www.jvab.f4.ca


I would drive a clown car sponsored by huggies if the damn thing scooted out in the woods.

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-Tom
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But, the Ford was only 2WD and they had tech problems throughout most of that season. The point is, when they were doing good, a 2WD car was beating many top AWD cars.

Also don't forget that in 1986 when everyone was focused on Group B, VW was winning the Group A championship. Then in 1987 everyone else had to try to adapt and catch up.

VW apparently announced intentions to build a new WRC car based on the new Scirroco earlier this month.

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Grant Hughes

NoCoast Wrote:
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> But, the Ford was only 2WD and they had tech
> problems throughout most of that season. The
> point is, when they were doing good, a 2WD car was
> beating many top AWD cars.

And more to the point is that of any car out there then, the only reliable one and affordable on that could be made to have more or less same power output and hence performance is the Xratty.
That 2.3 may be all iron but it will make more than enough power, especially ft-lbs.

And we have alternate gearboxes and can do different final drives at prices anybody can afford.

Further, that one the roads most similar to North American roads, the 2wd Fords were within reach of overall placings against the all conquoring, best car acknowledged by all, Lancias.
>
> Also don't forget that in 1986 when everyone was
> focused on Group B, VW was winning the Group A
> championship. Then

When Group B was banned in a knee-jerk decision by Jean-Marie Blaestre, leaving less than 8 months to cook up something to replace the GpB cars withj,


in 1987 everyone else had to
> try to adapt and catch up.....

To Lancia.
>
> VW apparently announced intentions to build a new
> WRC car based on the new Scirroco earlier this
> month.

We'll see, they have always done so poorly in rally its not funny, and as long as its still Germans running the program, it'll probably continue to be poorly run.
>
> Grant Hughes
> www.nocoastmotorsports.net
> Denver, CO

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

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"Take a good look at Burmeister's Mazdaspeed3 next time you get a chance"

Ditto. I second that emotion.

I saw it at Maine, last year. Great looking car. Really impressive. Very sanitary. Looks professionally built. Nice job, guys!

But, I would still go budget, unless maybe someone wants to give me an SRT-4. I took notice of that 2,200lb, 160hp Civic. Or I might still build another SE-R (just because I have 3 already).

Ted Mendham

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NoCoast Wrote:
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> VW apparently announced intentions to build a new
> WRC car based on the new Scirroco earlier this
> month.

Which is another car thats not coming over here. Thats ok with me, though, that thing is 10x as ugly as an xratty. Now if we could get the polo here and put some s1600 bits on it, yum.

Is it just me, or does it look just like an '88 Civic DX Hatchback?

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Self-righteous douche canoe

Tom B Wrote:
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> john vanlandingham Wrote:
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> > The car is just a tool.
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> >
> >
> > John Vanlandingham
> > Sleezattle, WA, USA
> >
> > Vive le Prole-le-ralliat
> >
> > www.jvab.f4.ca
>
>
> I would drive a clown car sponsored by huggies if
> the damn thing scooted out in the woods.

This the right approach to picking a rallycar. We might not all agree on what is the right car but it needs to work. Like JV says, "Better is better."

With the competition getting turned up a notch with MaxAttack! it's nice to see the old enthusiasm from the Group F days back. Rally is fun stuff.

I need a way to get out to Wild West.
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