What kind of cars

Wuddabout one a deese?


http://www.vwvortex.com/artman/publish/vortex_news/article_2007.shtml
Midmounted 650hp W12 twin turbo RWD Golf.

that car is dope.

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I'm new to the forum, and have been giving the threads a good read.

I'm in Western Canada (Regina Saskatchewan), and a huge Peugeot freak. I was googling PRV info about John Lan's insane turbo PRV rally car and found this forum - so I immediately had to join!

I'm in a long term build up of a Peugeot 505 Turbo with hopes of running it in the CARS equivelent of Gr.5. Reading more of the MaxAttack you guys are speaking of and it sounds awesome. My initial plan was to build up a 504 sedan for vintage rallying - but the thought of an open class 2WD build is too much to resist.

Just wanted to chime in that the Peugeot 505 series of cars would also be a great choice. It's comparable to the XR4Ti's, and the 240 Volvo's, and they were raced successfully back in the day as well. Parts might be an issue for some stuff - but since I have a "collection" of the spares aren't an issue.

It's a damn sight more disturbed than running a 240 for sure - but that makes it half the fun... (I'm not the only freak either - just ask Mad Mike Halley...)

Rabin

PS My wife and I just had a baby girl last week - thus the insane post time. Also the reason why this build is going to take a LONG time!

Why is no one discussing Honda given it's win?

Cheers,
Anders

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

What win? Havas' in Oregon I assume. New Hondas have been mentioned plenty if I recall.

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Grant Hughes

Anders Green Wrote:
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> Why is no one discussing Honda given it's win?
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> Cheers,
> Anders
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> Raleigh, NC
> Impreza H6 3.0

They handle good, so maybe there's some advantage to the VERY short suspension travel:


Wouldn't want some POS 27 year old car, no way it could be any good:

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/16/2007 11:41AM by john vanlandingham.

> Anders Green Wrote:
> > Why is no one discussing Honda given it's win?

john vanlandingham Wrote:
> They handle good, so maybe there's some advantage
> to the VERY short suspension travel:
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> Wouldn't want some POS 27 year old car, no way it
> could be any good:

Oh, come now. *grin* We both know that two pictures of anything are merely anecdotal and by themselves prove nothing.

Yes, I'm talking about Havas' win at the only MaxAttack! event that's happened. JVL, I'd enjoy musings on how he managed it with the very short suspension travel. (I'm not being facetious, really!) Are those roads smooth? The car modified? The mantra is "need more suspension travel" but surely we can talk about why this worked in this particular instance without our brains exploding. *grin*

Cheers,
Anders

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

Yeah clearly suspension travel is very, very important. Just bench racing here but I've thought about Hondas before as having some really good attributes to make a good rally car like engine choices, light weight etc. So lets have a positive discussion as to how one COULD make these cars work well. How to address the flimsy flimsy body structure? How to increase the suspension travel. Are there cheapish gearing options? Cause a 200-250 bhp motor screaming to 9k has to be fun.

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Gone fishing

Who says suspension travel is a problem?

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/87scirocco/IMG_0925.jpg

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rally gods would turn in their graves if they ever knew Lada's were now part of EU rallying!!!

turoc Wrote:
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> Who says suspension travel is a problem?
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The big problem is trying to convince newbies that a little welding of simple things like that tower extension is a good, worthwhile thing.

Look at the thread on SS.com about the Fucus rear suspension, and the tenacious arguing that "I don't see a problem....." attitude.
Try suggesting that anywhere when the rules allow it, people will re-do towers for travel or to accomodate a coil-over, or as i was suggesting, to do that and make the top mount an eyelet with a spherical bearing for ease of service.
I gave up.

And I have watch a guy twist the PIN style top right off here in my driveway, and there was no rust at all.
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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

Yes, the OTR roads are relatively smooth. Lots of ditch hooking and the occasional gravelly rough spot, so the suspension has to be able to handle that, but there are no sudden shocks of the kind that tear apart suspensions.

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Self-righteous douche canoe

I wish you good luck on your build. Peugeots are really cool, but far to rare IMO. I've never gone looking for parts, but I get the feeling that they arn't readily available. If you have a small mountain for a culch heap, then that shouldn't bother you.

At the end of the day, getting out there is the most important thing and it sounds like you're further on your way than me

Cheers

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Andrew M
Onterrible
30ish

turoc Wrote:
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> Who says suspension travel is a problem?
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Reiger 58's in a VW Motorsports prepped shell from the UK, purpose built for racing. Marc Amblard, whose name means nothing to me, had a big part in that car's suspension apparently. Oh, just google'd him. Hmmm. Not a bad resume.
http://www.octaveengineering.com/profile.shtml

Anyhow, Honda's have two things going for them. Light weight, interchangeable parts, and revvable engines. Oh fuck. That was three things. Whatever.

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Grant Hughes

As for building the 505 turbo - I've got 4 complete shells, three complete turbo engines, a shed FULL of other parts. Tough part will just be getting the cage done, and the suspension done up.

I've been doing a LOT of reading on this forum, and am amazed at the work John is doing with the Volvo 240 and the XR4Ti's. What makes me happiest is that the 505 shares the strut design with the 240, and it shares a similar design to the XR4Ti for the rear suspension.

So now I'm hatching a plan to see if I can get someone in my Peugeot mailing list that is willing to take their 505 Turbo to John to see how easy it will be for him to use his existing set up / processes to get the 505 Turbo into his soooper bitching suspenders... (And what it would cost me.)

I've also spoken to Mike Halley and he has the suspension off the old 505 competition cars from back in the day - so I also have the option of copying the mods they did to the stock suspension.

I'm not at all worried about replacement parts really for the car. They are still found in good shape for ridiculously low prices.

I'm quite sure the 505 series cars will make a FANTASTIC base for a very sweet G5 car.

Rabin

There are 505s in the Rally Spare Parts Storage Depots referred to by civilians as "wrecking yards" and I have, being a Puegoet fan since 1976,looked at the suspension on them.Next time I'll look closer...ie take some measurements and photos)

Suspension is easy, just costly at around USD2000 for the 50mm stuff I'm doing now.
Making it more service friendly is important. See the weld on clampy-things I made for the Volvo, Corollas, Capri, that make it possible to swap a strut with just 4 bolts removed: one pinch bolt at the knuckle, 3 for the top mounts zip zap.

More a concern for me would be to get clutch,gearbox and final drive ratio a bet better,and at least 4,3in the axle.
What is the ratio in the 505 gas turbo?
What about the non-turbo diesel? Same ring and pinion size?

What are the gearbox ratios?
What size is the clutch?

Are the pistons forged?

You're talking long term project, so this gives you a chance to build it good and spread the cost.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

www.rallyrace.net/jvab
CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.