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Re: What kind of cars
May 01, 2007 12:02AM
Tom B Wrote:
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> I would drive a clown car sponsored by huggies if
> the damn thing scooted out in the woods.
>

Having seen videos of your driving, I presume the Huggies are for Don? smiling smiley



Anyway, I think that at this point psychology plays a bigger factor in winning MaxAttack than does car prep. Jake's set up the MaxAttack series so that there are only three events, with many months in between. This lets the MaxAttack-only competitors drive the living snot out of their cars, knowing that if they wreck they have several months to fix them up before the next event. This is at odds with a competitor whose intent is to run the whole series (either RA or USRC), and needs to get the car through each and every event without undo damage (unless you're independently wealthy or are like the Subaru Factory Team with five backup cars).

I think right now it's possible to win MaxAttack with only a moderately well-prepped car driving at 88-90%, but if this catches on, the ante is going to steadily increase. At least four of the top six finishers in MaxAttack were National contenders who just entered MaxAttack on a lark, and their real goal was to make it through the whole season.

I'm predicting that one of three things will happen:

1) MaxAttack will catch on and become the biggest 2WD Rally Championship the US has seen since the late 70s. In this case, you will see people prepping really high-end cars with tweaked turboed motors and dogboxes and uber suspensions and big tire budgets. The sponsorship money will go up and that will cause the ante to go up, so we'll see extremely good drivers in extremely well-prepared cars, driving at 92-95% of the Open Class cars, and even beating them if the circumstances are right.

2) MaxAttack will become big, but will expand to include more events. In this case, we'll see the same high-end cars, but the driving speeds will go down to 89-91% as teams start thinking about "saving the car".

3) MaxAttack will continue to be an auxiliary to the regular series, and we'll continue to have troubles getting coverage of 2WD, which means fewer sponsorship dollars, and it will be the teams with moderately-prepared cars who don't have anything to lose by driving the living snot out of them who will win. In this case, we'll see the majority of competitors driving at the 88-90% level, with a few "one-shot" teams driving at at 89-91%.

As for me, I said right up front that I wasn't going to be going all out for the MaxAttack. I was definitely "driving to save the car", and braking early for turns and not pressing overly hard. I'm sure this annoys Jake and would put JVL to sleep if he saw a video of it, but that's our season game plan and my co-driver has instructions to wop me upside the head if I deviate from it and start pressing too hard. There's a weird Catch-22 I hadn't anticipated though - apparently I'm boring to watch on stage, which means I don't get much media coverage, which makes it hard to get sponsors.






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Re: What kind of cars
May 01, 2007 10:42AM
hoche Wrote:
>At least four of the top six
> finishers in MaxAttack were National contenders
> who just entered MaxAttack on a lark, and their
> real goal was to make it through the whole
> season.

Which four are you referring to?




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Re: What kind of cars
May 01, 2007 04:07PM
Oh yeah, you probably have a vested interest in it. Ok, three of the finishers.



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Re: What kind of cars
May 02, 2007 09:15AM
hoche Wrote:
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> Oh yeah, you probably have a vested interest in
> it. Ok, three of the finishers.



I didn't know if you were counting me in the original four, but you'll notice I didn't run my local national rally (SnoDrift) where I usually do very well and I skipped 100AW and ran a bike at Sandblast because I KNOW MaxAttack! is where the competition will be and where the value will be for sponsors.

Study those FAQ's on the site. Will nutso power always prevail? Not likely. There is a reason we did not choose a wide open rally with monster straights where 400hp is a tremendous advantage. We instead chose twisty technical rallies.

There is a reason for the timing and geographical spacing of the events. Throw down. Give it everything. You have time to fix it if you lose a fight with the forest.

We never intend to have a huge championship. Perhaps as we progress we may add more events than just 3, but never a 9 or 10 race championship that requires hundreds of thousands of dollars.

This is the best hope right now. We welcome your suggestions for how to make it better.



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Re: What kind of cars
May 02, 2007 02:42PM
Excellent.



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Re: What kind of cars
May 06, 2007 06:24PM
How about something a little more recent.
http://www.specialstage.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22058

Rally WV is tarmac isn't it?



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Re: What kind of cars
May 08, 2007 12:21AM
No, WV is a twisty, twisty thing all on gravel. I'm told that if Cherokee Trails was a 10 on a scale of 1-10, WV is 11.

Again, in keeping with our hope of making these DRIVERS' competitions, we picked events where well driven cars are the key, not monster powah.

Makes it harder for me, but it's the right thing to do. smiling smiley





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Re: What kind of cars
May 08, 2007 12:35AM
Hm. Aug 4?

Maybe I can make that after all.



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Re: What kind of cars
May 08, 2007 08:06AM
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> No, WV is a twisty, twisty thing all on gravel.
> I'm told that if Cherokee Trails was a 10 on a
> scale of 1-10, WV is 11.
>

WVa is has some stages as twisty as Cherokee but without as much R--L--R--L flow. Lots and lots of hard to read corners with charachter changes every 1/4 to 1/2 mile. Road reading skills will be very important.






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2007 Civic Si
May 10, 2007 11:50PM
2007 Civic Si on the STPR entry list. Entered in production class now but it belongs to Honda Research America so expect it to a Gr5 beast soon.
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Re: 2007 Civic Si
May 11, 2007 10:40AM
Doesn't even need to be a Group 5 beast.
Just get the right engine, gearbox, and some good suspension and it's set. I've heard the brakes are pretty good in those stock.



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Re: What kind of cars
May 14, 2007 08:58AM
Jim's a quick driver, too. And he's got the right codriver. smiling smiley



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Re: What kind of cars
May 15, 2007 01:04AM
Josh Wimpey Wrote:
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> Jay Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hmmm why do you hate plastic? Said the guy
> who was
> > thinking about replacing the rear side
> windows
> > with lexan
>
> It is ugly, its ugly, it scratches easy, it fogs
> badly....and its ugly
>
> I might consider sheet-metal over the rear side
> windows before doing plastic.
>
>
Percy's speedglass. As scratch resistant as glass, but still lexan. You can clean it with steel wool. Google it.

-Dave

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Re: What kind of cars
May 15, 2007 01:20AM
eyesoreracing Wrote:
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> Josh Wimpey Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Jay Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Hmmm why do you hate plastic? Said the
> guy
> > who was
> > > thinking about replacing the rear side
> > windows
> > > with lexan
> >
> > It is ugly, its ugly, it scratches easy, it
> fogs
> > badly....and its ugly
> >
> > I might consider sheet-metal over the rear
> side
> > windows before doing plastic.
> >
> >
> Percy's speedglass. As scratch resistant as glass,
> but still lexan. You can clean it with steel wool.
> Google it.
>
> -Dave
>
>


STFU Coleman! Read the other 18 posts talking about Percys before you chime in.

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Re: What kind of cars
May 15, 2007 08:47AM
Uh, Dave, your alter ego is surfacing again...

Time for meds.

smiling smiley



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