Historic Class - why isn't it offered and why do organizers think it's an add-on to an existing class?

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john vanlandingham

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buerckner
Again 'cause we don't like to think to much we have a Classics class.



Check the entry list for our first round, there was at least one ex Australian champion entered and if stage times are compared they often run in the top 5-10 of the national class.
The guys that run have the funds and were/are quick enough but they don't want to run a modern car at 11 tenths everywhere.

Yeah Classic/ or Historic gets interchanged here. I don't know how many here know that the real "Historic" class requireds the shell or some part of the shell have "documented compertition history" from back in the day or some such pointless crap.

The thing is by the "Classic standard virtually every signle car i ever worked on except 2 for damn near 20 years at that point (early 2000s) had been pre 1980 and this esteamed Herr Doktor got quite pissed when a kept pressing "What is so different about a 1975 typical spec and a 1985 typical spec.."
And I meant details: valve sizes, clutch sizes, gear ratuios, final drive, suspension ..

Of courser the guy didn't know a single thing but he made little balls of his fist and stamped the ground and said
"What have YOU ever done to support Classic cars in US Rally?"

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heymagic
There will be a point (or is now) where old, legitmate rally cars are all gone. This is not an easy life for a car. I don't have a problem with replicas because of that . I do have a problem (although very small) when someone decides to build a car for a class with no participation and then call out the world over it. If YOU want a historic class, then YOU need to do it. Get the group together, elect a chairman, get things going. It is laid out in the rule book and has been for years. The problem lies with the lack of competitors. CRS does it with their specific classes. YOU need to make the class happen and when or if that gets there and is not recognized then you have a legitimate bitch. As I mentioned we have offered it out here several times when there were enough cars to justify it and still no takers. They all wanted to run G2.

The other problem is the rolling date allowing relatively modern cars into the mix and then...what about the Quattro and GTX cars? Are we talking H2 and H5 as well as H0 or H PGT? Are you willing to be beaten about the head and shoulders by a well prepared historic AWD turbo car?

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modernbeat
Why are you ....

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Anders Green

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modernbeat
Why are you ....

Write the rules for historic class (which will need to meet modern safety regs). Get four of your buddies to agree to them. Get five paid entries of compliant cars. I will announce the class the same day.

Looking forward to some old Saabs, MGBs, and Minis!

Anders

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AnthonyLatham
and the timing seemed right for a class revision and push for national status. The new class is call Historic. We have decided to move to a fixed cutoff date for the Rallywest Historic Championship.

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HiTempguy

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AnthonyLatham
and the timing seemed right for a class revision and push for national status. The new class is call Historic. We have decided to move to a fixed cutoff date for the Rallywest Historic Championship.

What's this "we" business? I just received the email today, and RallyWest hasn't even discussed it yet.

Not that I see anything wrong with whats currently been presented, but that's not just my singular call.

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AnthonyLatham

Gah, I should say that the RPM board had voted to switch from Group D to Historic class rules

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2. Group D Preparation Rules
The Group D class is intended to provide a classification under which “low tech” vehicles can compete, with the objective that they are prepared to a standard of
competitiveness that would have been possible at the time of vehicle manufacture. Modifications to enhance reliability should be allowable within the constraints below. Safety requirements remain as stated in the National Rally Regulations.

2.1 Definition.
Vehicles must be 2-wheel drive, normally aspirated models sold in Canada in minimum units of 100 or in the United States in minimum units of 500. Drive configuration must remain as originally manufactured (e.g. front engine, front drive).
Vehicle models must have been manufactured for a model year 20 years or more before the beginning of the current competition year. i.e. for competition year 2005, vehicles from model years 1985 and earlier are eligible.
Competitors are responsible to provide acceptable evidence of the actual model
year of their vehicle.

2.2 Engines and Induction Systems.
Engines are unrestricted, but the engine block must be derived from the product line offered by the vehicle manufacturer in any of the eligible model years.
No forced induction is allowed.
The generic type of induction, i.e. carburetor(s), mechanical injection or electronic injection, normally available for the engine selected must be used.

2.2 Displacement.
Actual displacement must be no greater than 5100cc.

2.3 Bodywork
a) Except for b. and c., the modification, reinforcement, substitution, addition or deletion of parts and components is permitted without restriction, provided the vehicle complies with the safety and general regulations.
b) Exterior pieces (i.e.: all components licked by the air stream) must be visually similar to the original item, including bumpers. Except for doors and roofs, bolt-on body pieces may be constructed of an alternate material. A and B pillars must remain
original. The original floor pan and firewall must remain and may be modified only to the extent necessary to accommodate allowed alternate components.
c) Fenders may be modified to the extent necessary to provide tire clearance. Fender flares may be added. Installation of one-piece flared fenders or quarter panels is prohibited.

2.4 Mechanical Components.
Brakes, carburetors / injection, transmission, suspension, cooling, final drive ratio and type, clutch, pressure plate and flywheel are unrestricted except by paragraphs above.

2.5 Wheels.
Wheel diameter and width are unrestricted

2.6 Exemptions
Due to the nature of the class, and the difficulties of maintaining vehicles of this age, limited exemptions may be felt necessary to the age related rules above. Exemptions applicable to a specific vehicle, for a specific championship, may be requested from the relevant national or regional office.
An exemption must explain any modifications to, or deviations from, the above rules in sufficient detail so that compliance may be verified at technical inspection.
The written exemption must be attached to, and become part of, the vehicle logbooks.

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john vanlandingham
Blame is for idiots. losers.