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...I wonder seriously if, since the early 1990s if there are any body out there aside from Holmes and the Saab V4s that have entered with pushrod motors?

Air cooled VWs are pushrod motors. And at least one of them enters a number of events every year.

Jason we got that---Huebbe reminded us---the point was the BS of the 'pushrod multiplier of 0.8% when there's nobody with a pushod motor whining that they are at some disadvantage and need a little 20% bump in displacment to "compensate'..

Ya don't see ring ding guys whining that they don't have all those crutches like cams and lifters and vales and junk.

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Please note that the reciprocal of .8 is 1.25, not 1.2.

Well, I'm building a pushrod Open class car and really need that multiplier to stay intact. So don't screw with it if it's not hurting anyone.

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Jason McDaniel

And James Cox is running a pushrod engine also. I suspect that deleting the multiplier would make his engine illegal.

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Jason McDaniel

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Well, I'm building a pushrod Open class car and really need that multiplier to stay intact. So don't screw with it if it's not hurting anyone.

This forum needs moAR build threads!

Sorry, no build thread. No way, no how. I already know how to build a car and don't need to brag about it.

Well, here it is. Enjoy.

http://www.rallyanarchy.com/phorum/read.php?5,86976

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Jason McDaniel



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Damn, figured the site could use some nice fresh car porn that's something unique. :-)

The .8 pushrod simply allows for normal mid size motors. No harm, no foul. i'm of the mind that there should be no displacement limit. if you are dumb enuff to hang 1000 pounds of 455 Buick off the front of your rally car, have at it. I'm biased but there should be no restrictors or displacement rules in 2wd gravel rally. give it a couple years and see if someone shows up with 900 HP AND dominates. RA show no desire to put cars dyno and that is the only "fair" thing to do. As it stands now, you can put a NASCAR stroker motor in a fox body but I can't pull a junkyard 3800 V6 with a supercharger out of a 1993 Park Avenue... too "big"



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The pushrod multiplier just allows me to build a more reliable engine for the same HP and cheaper to run and maintain. Hell, baja guys get more power out of their 1600s but they run trick race fuel and high compression.

If I didn't have the multiplier I'd just have to add weight to the car or go group5 where there is no competition

It's been a long time, but someone once told me that the multipler was there because in general pushrod motors/cars were heavier and already at a disadvantage. Don't know if that's the true reason or not for the rule.

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It's been a long time, but someone once told me that the multipler was there because in general pushrod motors/cars were heavier and already at a disadvantage. Don't know if that's the true reason or not for the rule.

Nobody knows, like all SCCA things, whatever the first draft was when first heard, that was what became the rules..
In the years prior to the adption of Group 2 in the whole West, there was myself with the mighty V4 Ford, Bill Holmes occasionally in the big V8 Ford, Eric Thompson, some white boy who had severe fantasies that he was a Sweden---yet spoken not a single word of the language----in a 140 Volvo with B20 (bore +3mm), and occasionally madman La Tourette in his turbo AWD 2.7 aircool Beetle.
Guy light had in early 80s run blatant cheater P class GM 2800 V6s.

I do know the original addition to the cc rules of a "1.05 lb per corrected cc"
was--- to quote directly from the then National Steward when I asked why "we" in this new limited Open class had a weight rule when "He" in his Open Class Audi Quattro had NO Min Weight-----"A bunch of mid-west PGT guys were all crying that if we didn't have any weight rule they wouldn't support the new class"

Nice insight.

Glad I could crush them all 5 years later the only time I did a national in the mid-west with a mighty 1730cc of pushrod powerz!

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John Vanlandingham
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more reasons to just have one class

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