Gravity Fed Alex Staidle Super Moderator Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Join Date: 08/21/2009 Age: Settling Down Posts: 1,719 Rally Car: Various Heaps |
maybe introduce some sort of "teams that bring a volunteer body X reward?"
First Rally: 2010 First RallyX: 2004 (a bunch) Driver (0), Co-Driver (7) Organizer (3), Volunteer (3) Cars Built (2.5), Engines Blown (2) Cages Built (0) # of rotations (3.5) Last Updated, Apr 9, 2023 |
Anders Green Anders Green Senior Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
I enjoy that it's so hard to tell with me. ![]()
Apparently they tried a volunteer championship out in your area a couple years ago in connection with the WSRC. From what I heard, it was a lot of work and did not accomplish the desired effect, and so they stopped. Like most ideas, this doesn't mean the idea can't work, it only means that in that geographic area, in that era, with that event density, it didn't work. I was thinking of the other way: giving racers points toward their racing championship for volunteering. There are already some examples, past and current, of this, most commonly seen in "organizer points". It's mostly seen in TSD rallies series as there is a much higher percentage of TSD organizers that still actively compete. Anders Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. |
HiTempguy Banned Elite Moderator Location: Red Deer, Alberta Join Date: 09/13/2011 Posts: 717 Rally Car: 2002 Subaru WRX STi |
I had this big, long post in response to Anders, but I decided to sum it up really short like:
It won't work. 95% of drivers have one interest, that is driving. I've asked many drivers who aren't competing at an event to come help out, the answer is always the same. Co-drivers are slightly better. Volunteer buy-in is required for the sport. RallyWest is working on a system this year to do that. We'll see how it goes... |
czwalga steve czwalga Professional Moderator Location: Pittsburgh, PA Join Date: 09/16/2011 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 376 Rally Car: 95 awd celica |
It's hard taking off work traveling 6+ hours to drive in 4'ish rally's a year. For me its not necessarily about the money, its the time/effort/logistics of getting there. If i can get there obviously I'd rather drive. If the car was out of commission for a year or something I would most likely volunteer at few of the local events. |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Ultra Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
All I see is dwindling entries, lost events, and increased video game sales. I suppose the American way now is spectating, video games, and RC cars... Why do when you can pretend?
I don't know what 2012 will hold for rallying, but my prediction is that the interest in real rally will continue to dwindle throughout the nation. I am going to actively try to reverse this trend regionally by getting at least four new cars built and two to three rallysprints underway. May even aim for the end of the year for the first event. Also going to make No Coast Motorsports more official with some real services, a real bank account, and some new directions. I will also get at least six 13-17 year olds into rally cars for a day of fun and instruction at CORE. Probably will target local motocross and go kart events event winners. We will target and search for youth that have the means, talent, and potential to do well in rally cars and try to grow from there. Fuck globally, think locally. Fuck GRC, let's bring back the CRC! Grant Hughes |
DaveK Dave Kern Mega Moderator Location: Centennial Join Date: 07/11/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 1,085 Rally Car: Compact M3 & Evo IX |
CHCA meeting on Tuesday. Give me a ring sometime tomorrow to chat - I'm happy to bring some ideas that way if having a 'flatish' hillclimb in the mix this year would help. I know we've got some new guys in the area who are itching to get started. Dave |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Junior Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Grant doesn't use the phone. Maybe you could see if he's updated his Facebook or send him a Haiku on twit-er. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
HiTempguy Banned Elite Moderator Location: Red Deer, Alberta Join Date: 09/13/2011 Posts: 717 Rally Car: 2002 Subaru WRX STi |
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czwalga steve czwalga Professional Moderator Location: Pittsburgh, PA Join Date: 09/16/2011 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 376 Rally Car: 95 awd celica |
It's more difficult in the west is my guess. Too much distance between rallys. If i lived in denver I would have never built a car. How many events are within a 10 hour tow? Pikes peak but that really doesnt even count. In the east with a 10 hour tow, i'm within sno-drift, stpr, nefr, black river, sandblast, rallywv, tall pines, probably a few more. It's the chicken or the egg thing. Not enough events close enough to get people excited, no reason to create events without people. |
Gravity Fed Alex Staidle Super Moderator Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Join Date: 08/21/2009 Age: Settling Down Posts: 1,719 Rally Car: Various Heaps |
yea i argee with out west distance factor. I live in Boise so the Idaho Rally is in my backyard. But the next closest rally is about 5 and a 1/2 hours (n. nevada) then after that, its about 8-9 (mt hood, OTR) then after that, its ridiculous.
First Rally: 2010 First RallyX: 2004 (a bunch) Driver (0), Co-Driver (7) Organizer (3), Volunteer (3) Cars Built (2.5), Engines Blown (2) Cages Built (0) # of rotations (3.5) Last Updated, Apr 9, 2023 |
Gravity Fed Alex Staidle Super Moderator Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Join Date: 08/21/2009 Age: Settling Down Posts: 1,719 Rally Car: Various Heaps |
....not to mention being an organizer squeezing the dry sponge of volunteers. I really don't think teams has a full grasp how hard it is to staff a rally completely.
First Rally: 2010 First RallyX: 2004 (a bunch) Driver (0), Co-Driver (7) Organizer (3), Volunteer (3) Cars Built (2.5), Engines Blown (2) Cages Built (0) # of rotations (3.5) Last Updated, Apr 9, 2023 |
HiTempguy Banned Elite Moderator Location: Red Deer, Alberta Join Date: 09/13/2011 Posts: 717 Rally Car: 2002 Subaru WRX STi |
PNW seems to do ok. Basically, what I am getting out of this is that this big, gaping hole of insufficient population density called the west in the US is causing people to say rally is dieing? Come on guys. Saskatchewan and Manitoba also have zip for rallying, and it's not like it's dieing here. I think the point of this thinking game is that for anything to thrive, you need some sort of base population. Bad places for rallying, if I had to hazard a guess with no research whatsoever. |
Gravity Fed Alex Staidle Super Moderator Location: Δx = ħ/2Δp Join Date: 08/21/2009 Age: Settling Down Posts: 1,719 Rally Car: Various Heaps |
well that is about true considering Rally Colorado is no mas. There is one even in missouri.
First Rally: 2010 First RallyX: 2004 (a bunch) Driver (0), Co-Driver (7) Organizer (3), Volunteer (3) Cars Built (2.5), Engines Blown (2) Cages Built (0) # of rotations (3.5) Last Updated, Apr 9, 2023 |
Aaron Luptak Aaron Luptak Super Moderator Location: SLC Join Date: 02/15/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 776 Rally Car: Civic... |
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HiTempguy Banned Elite Moderator Location: Red Deer, Alberta Join Date: 09/13/2011 Posts: 717 Rally Car: 2002 Subaru WRX STi |
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