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ohlins forks will save rally

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Andrew Steere
Lyndeborough, NH
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5k cages are not because of the design. The actual time bending tubing isn't very long. Even with cave man technology. Most of the time spent fabrication wise is in the car prep. The cage takes the least amount of time. 5k gets you a guy willing to climb thru and fix all the little things that make a race car a race car not just a caged street car.

A cage can be bent and ready to install in 1 day easy. The rest is cleaning prepping and learning to weld with only two hands and no eyes behind your head!

Tube chassis builders weld up a complete car in 10 hours with simple benders and notchers. Why because they don't have the shell too deal with!

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First rally 2013
Rally car type AWD subaru
Total rallies as driver 6
Total rally cars built 2
Total rally cars caged 3
Total rally cars repaired from offs 4
Total years racing exp other then rally 19 yrs
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Reamer
5k cages are not because of the design. The actual time bending tubing isn't very long. Even with cave man technology. Most of the time spent fabrication wise is in the car prep. The cage takes the least amount of time. 5k gets you a guy willing to climb thru and fix all the little things that make a race car a race car not just a caged street car.

A cage can be bent and ready to install in 1 day easy. The rest is cleaning prepping and learning to weld with only two hands and no eyes behind your head!

Tube chassis builders weld up a complete car in 10 hours with simple benders and notchers. Why because they don't have the shell too deal with!

No everybody is charging what they hear others claiming they got charged..Its utter bullshit.
And cynical utter bullshit at that...
MOST people pull nearly all the interior before dropping off the car..

Ask yourself:
How do these cages for this price?

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Godkänd Byggsats Grupp H (artnr:200V)
Pris: 7 400:- per enhet

Mått: 40,0 X 2,0
Huvudbåge 45,0 X 2,5
Infästningsplattor ingår i bursatsen
Hörnförstärkningsplåt 5st ingår i bursatsen

Godkänd = Approved--straight from Art 235.

SEK 7400 is USD876 including 25% sales tax so its 5920 kr without sales tax
That's bent and notched and foot plates and gussets for $700

It does not cost in time $4300 additional to weld a cage in--including cleaning where the thing is welded to the car......It is flat ridiculous---even $2500 is pretty generously overboard...


Further savings could---and has ----been done for years----by ordering only the bent bits and supplying the straight parts here saving airfreight on the stuff we can easily do here..

But everybody keeps saying "Oh Vermont Sportscar charges $XXXX so we charge $ZZZZ"
There is no justification for a 30-35% price increase in just 2-3 years which we've seen...

How do those dumb Swedes retail complete kits

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

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Some local guy on craigs listed in an ad that he spent 9k on a cage for his porsche track day car....probably hoping to justify the inflated asking price for said car. LOL

Dave

That price is pretty good for just the cage. I would have about $500 in that much tubing the last time I bought it. But like I said all the labor is in the car prep not the cage bending nocthing. Ive done a few now around the $2500 range. I will not do one for less its not worth the effort. Im not getting any younger or smaller and to crawl around in an old gc doesn't interest me like it used to. Plus we have different opinions on what needs to be done car prep wise. My cars are over board for regionals most cases.

But even then 60 hours at 2k is around 33 per hour. 60 hours not getting all the small stuff I would want. Your not going to find to many welding shops to weld for 33 per hour much less fabricate and bend tubing. Add in welding gas wire grinding discs your looking at making maybe 15 per hour if you do more then half the work your self. I usually mark out a list of easy things and pay an employee to do the easier stuff

That 15 per hour doesn't get you some one who is thinking about weight distribution over all weight. seem welding. Fixing weak points in the chassis, bobins on control arm mounts. Things that make a race car a true race car. To me the best cage builder is who puts there heart into what there building. That usually isn't the cheapest guy.

I agree some are charging Vermont pricing and not getting Vermont quality. Or at least what I would expect from vermonts 5k.

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First rally 2013
Rally car type AWD subaru
Total rallies as driver 6
Total rally cars built 2
Total rally cars caged 3
Total rally cars repaired from offs 4
Total years racing exp other then rally 19 yrs
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Some local guy on craigs listed in an ad that he spent 9k on a cage for his porsche track day car....probably hoping to justify the inflated asking price for said car. LOL

Dave

Well, TIG-ing together a cage out of unicorn tits isn't cheap...

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Reamer
That price is pretty good for just the cage. I would have about $500 in that much tubing the last time I bought it. But like I said all the labor is in the car prep not the cage bending nocthing. Ive done a few now around the $2500 range. I will not do one for less its not worth the effort. Im not getting any younger or smaller and to crawl around in an old gc doesn't interest me like it used to. Plus we have different opinions on what needs to be done car prep wise. My cars are over board for regionals most cases.

But even then 60 hours at 2k is around 33 per hour. 60 hours not getting all the small stuff I would want. Your not going to find to many welding shops to weld for 33 per hour much less fabricate and bend tubing. Add in welding gas wire grinding discs your looking at making maybe 15 per hour if you do more then half the work your self. I usually mark out a list of easy things and pay an employee to do the easier stuff

That 15 per hour doesn't get you some one who is thinking about weight distribution over all weight. seem welding. Fixing weak points in the chassis, bobins on control arm mounts. Things that make a race car a true race car. To me the best cage builder is who puts there heart into what there building. That usually isn't the cheapest guy.

I agree some are charging Vermont pricing and not getting Vermont quality. Or at least what I would expect from vermonts 5k.

Except when one guy called and ax-ed kinda for amusment it was "BARE BONES, no stitchie, no attaching tabs..".
Bullshit..


And I have only done 6-7 cages--imported ones--and ya know sumpin?

I wasn't burning thru $15 of sanding discs, wire, gas and electricity per hour... far from it.

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John Vanlandingham
Sleezattle, WA, USA

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CALL +1 206 431-9696
Remember! Pacific Standard Time
is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time.

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john vanlandingham
How do these cages for this price?
SEK 7400 is USD876 including 25% sales tax so its 5920 kr without sales tax
That's bent and notched and foot plates and gussets for $700

It does not cost in time $4300 additional to weld a cage in--including cleaning where the thing is welded to the car......It is flat ridiculous---even $2500 is pretty generously overboard...

Combination of quantity and probably a slightly less complicated system of distribution. US we have a middleman between every middleman between every middleman.
But I would guess most of it comes from economy of scale and building tens to hundreds of the same thing. In the USA we have at most 400 active rallyists, what is that, maybe 30-40 new cars built per year by privateers.

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Grant Hughes

Yeah... is there even ONE shop in the US that does 20 rally cages a year?

Or even 10 cages a year in the SAME shell?

Anders

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Grassroots rally. It's what I think about.

Just Ken Block's! (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

https://swracecars.com/store/Subaru-Impreza-1993---2001-10-Point-Roll-Cage-OSCARItem_38=11-5571.aspx

just have them add a few bars and such and you are almost there

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I am not an alien

Koolaid on specialstage just an FYI

Bonus to being able to retain all thr interior with that cage!!!

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Grant Hughes

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NoCoast
Bonus to being able to retain all thr interior with that cage!!!

huh? you mean retain your front seats and dash stuff?

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I am not an alien

Koolaid on specialstage just an FYI

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NoCoast
Bonus to being able to retain all thr interior with that cage!!!

I can't see le piktarz because I'm at work, but here are some threads that used the S&W cages.
http://forums.24hoursoflemons.com/viewtopic.php?id=8027
http://forums.nicoclub.com/s-w-race-cars-10pt-roll-cage-getting-ready-for-d1-usa-in-2009-t383280.html