Carl S Carl Seidel Elite Moderator Location: Fe Mtn, MI Join Date: 02/10/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 765 Rally Car: 1993 honderp |
Heres another, similar design (flaw): http://www.usrallyteam.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=76_207_220&products_id=1808
And another, these ones are painted gold so I think that justifies the (alleged) $1400 price tag. And the page for these ones has a fancy computer colored picture to show you right where they'll break so you don't have to use your thinker so much: http://scch-heads.com/viewpart.php?id=35 |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Professional Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
GOLD! We're all going to be RICH!!! Ha! ha! ha! Rich i tell you!!!! Look real strong: John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Towona Tony P Professional Moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Join Date: 08/21/2010 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 149 Rally Car: MK2 Golf |
If this is your first ever rally car, just get yourself some used/refurbished JVABs (front and back) as they are perfectly adequate for the job and don't break the bank. Don;t worry about hte tubular control arms... if you are concerned about how tough they are, just add some strategically placed reinforcement plates. You should be more worried about your driveshafts snapping themselves off.
Speaking of, has anyone definitively determined the issue with that? Last I heard was full power at full lock being the culprit, and a spacer in the rack helping... Anyone? Runamuck Rally |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Professional Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
And I just might happen to have some rebuilt/freshened stuff too... Just a phone call away. As for the snappage of the CVs, and anybody trying anything to solve it, come on its only 25 years and a whole pile of guys insist it never happened to them so obviously their experience of it not happening trumps the experience of it happening, so no need. (we need a better "eye-rolly" similie, bigger more eye rolling...Maybe a good "Jewish Mama forehead smack" John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
I tried to find some Audi ones that were a bit larger, and then machine the Audi hub to fit the bearing, but the internal splines for the CVs were off a bit. I was hoping for the VWMS style with the bolt instead of the giant nut.
Anyways, VR6 is an easy upgrade and they fit the VW halfshafts/sticks. Talking with Robert G, he's a firm believer in the steering rack spacer. He might know a few things about VWs. |
Pete Pete Remner Senior Moderator Location: Cleveland, Ohio Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 2,022 |
I've never heard of anyone breaking a VW CV in a straight line. Seems that not securely holding the engine still is another big factor, something VW has traditionally sucked at. Pete Remner Cleveland, Ohio 1984 RX-7 (rallycross thing) 1978 Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver. |
hoche Michel Hoche-Mong Mega Moderator Location: Campbell, CA Join Date: 02/28/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,156 Rally Car: Golf, Golf, RX-3 |
Huh. I've only had the engine fall out of my car once. Fortunately, the skidplate held it up long enough to finish the last stage and make the final transit. Self-righteous douche canoe |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Professional Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
That's sumpin that every production car sucks at cause it is in contra-opposition to the all important NVH Odd since a motor flopping around can be a source of all kinds of bad ju-ju...and man do motors flop around.. Odder still when there are so many excellent examples of what serious (works0 efforts are designed like, but nobody has been clamorous enough or disciplined enough to try and solve this other chronic 25 year+ problem.. I'm so lucky that I wasn't 1/2 as smart as all the genii of today who all have every solution a keystroke away and forums full of ex-spurts all who have been driving WRC level for years, and so when I started and saw auxiliary motor mount brackets in the catalogs, and the text said to use them, I got them right off, and used them--5 point motor mounting and an engine that sits still. And still sits still. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/15/2013 09:58PM by john vanlandingham. |
Kristof Kristof Kiraly Mod Moderator Location: Aliso Viejo, CA Join Date: 04/07/2013 Age: Settling Down Posts: 14 Rally Car: 1986 VW GTI |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Professional Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
The point for cars which see little or no stress is lighter... so if there are no bumps and no poop in the motor, no gearing in the box and a complete pussy driving slow on pool table smooth roads, then one can putter al;ong and worry about unsprung weight... However: REAL stressed cars accept substantial increases in weight in all the suspension parts in return for strength and durability.. We need ALL the parts to be significantly stronger: uprights, bearings, hubs, ball joints, links, subframe mounting points, bodyshell mounting points, everything. The whole "fuse" shit is shit-talk from forums from people rationalising why they were so non-chalant to try to make their car better and stronger. VW uprights/knuckles are cheesoid and spindly--and can easily be reinforced. The stamped steel control arms are shitty and a flat plate really is kind of minimalist. The ball joints are miniture, tie rods are soda straws, subframes slightly better than wet cardboard...it is not surprising most people dare not drive hard... Unsprung weight is one of the most hard to exterminate "Intra--web Tru-isms", nice to fight about theoretically and in actual practice nothing for a clubbie guy on a real world budget to give a single thought to. Like everything else they did in VWs heimat, they got it all backwards when they said "Kraft durch Freud" (look in the lower part of the title) Fehler, wie immer! Sonder: JOY THRU STRENGTH! John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/15/2013 10:24PM by john vanlandingham. |
wildert Brian Klausen Super Moderator Location: Denmark Join Date: 03/21/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 388 Rally Car: VW Golf GTi 16V |
Well - you have now... Granted I had just finished exiting a turn - but the wheels were pointed straight ahead (or real close to it). My Quaife ATB diff and a rather uneven concrete surface may have played a role, but I wasn't going round a corner. I have actually broken 3 in total - 2 on the drivers side, and 1 on the other. None have broken at full lock. 1 at straight ahead or close to it, and the other 2 at low to medium steering input (or what ever you would call it - sorry, not native English speaker, hope you get the point). All failures have been with the actual axle stub breaking clean off the joint "cup". Then I got REAL tired, and bought 2 VR6 hubs, and a bunch of VR6 CV joints. Welded and redrilled the hubs for 4x100, and so far no issues (knock on wood). It is now 3 or 4 years ago.
Like John said: everybody sucks at that, and yes, it plays a big role in CV's breaking as well, but that is not specific to VW mk II's. I have Nylon bushings at all three engine mounts for that same reason. Lots of vibrations, but the engine is held solid in place. Given that the gear linkage is not via cable but solid rods, this is even more important with mk II's (as well as the A1 platform like Rabbits and Sciroccos). Brgrds Brian |
Towona Tony P Professional Moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Join Date: 08/21/2010 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 149 Rally Car: MK2 Golf |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Professional Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Like this? That is the failure I am always referring to.. Which according to the ex-spurts shouldn't be happening.. Notice the key word? Shouldn't. This are are or aren't, should and shouldn't isn't the question.. The use of the word should should be prohibited! And shouldn't shouldn't be tolerated either! John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Towona Tony P Professional Moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Join Date: 08/21/2010 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 149 Rally Car: MK2 Golf |
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wildert Brian Klausen Super Moderator Location: Denmark Join Date: 03/21/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 388 Rally Car: VW Golf GTi 16V |
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