VW MK2 GTI suspension upgrade/questions
Posted by Kristof
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GOLD! We're all going to be RICH!!! Ha! ha! ha! Rich i tell you!!!! Look real strong: 
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Tony P Elite Moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Join Date: 08/21/2010 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 149 Rally Car: MK2 Golf |
John Vanlandingham Professional Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
And I just might happen to have some rebuilt/freshened stuff too... Just a phone call away. As for the snappage of the CVs, and anybody trying anything to solve it, come on its only 25 years and a whole pile of guys insist it never happened to them so obviously their experience of it not happening trumps the experience of it happening, so no need. (we need a better "eye-rolly" similie, bigger more eye rolling...Maybe a good "Jewish Mama forehead smack"  John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
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The point for cars which see little or no stress is lighter... so if there are no bumps and no poop in the motor, no gearing in the box and a complete pussy driving slow on pool table smooth roads, then one can putter al;ong and worry about unsprung weight... However: REAL stressed cars accept substantial increases in weight in all the suspension parts in return for strength and durability.. We need ALL the parts to be significantly stronger: uprights, bearings, hubs, ball joints, links, subframe mounting points, bodyshell mounting points, everything. The whole "fuse" shit is shit-talk from forums from people rationalising why they were so non-chalant to try to make their car better and stronger. VW uprights/knuckles are cheesoid and spindly--and can easily be reinforced. The stamped steel control arms are shitty and a flat plate really is kind of minimalist. The ball joints are miniture, tie rods are soda straws, subframes slightly better than wet cardboard...it is not surprising most people dare not drive hard... Unsprung weight is one of the most hard to exterminate "Intra--web Tru-isms", nice to fight about theoretically and in actual practice nothing for a clubbie guy on a real world budget to give a single thought to. Like everything else they did in VWs heimat, they got it all backwards when they said "Kraft durch Freud" (look in the lower part of the title) 
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Brian Klausen Elite Moderator Location: Denmark Join Date: 03/21/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 388 Rally Car: VW Golf GTi 16V |
Well - you have now... Granted I had just finished exiting a turn - but the wheels were pointed straight ahead (or real close to it). My Quaife ATB diff and a rather uneven concrete surface may have played a role, but I wasn't going round a corner. I have actually broken 3 in total - 2 on the drivers side, and 1 on the other. None have broken at full lock. 1 at straight ahead or close to it, and the other 2 at low to medium steering input (or what ever you would call it - sorry, not native English speaker, hope you get the point). All failures have been with the actual axle stub breaking clean off the joint "cup". Then I got REAL tired, and bought 2 VR6 hubs, and a bunch of VR6 CV joints. Welded and redrilled the hubs for 4x100, and so far no issues (knock on wood). It is now 3 or 4 years ago.
Like John said: everybody sucks at that, and yes, it plays a big role in CV's breaking as well, but that is not specific to VW mk II's. I have Nylon bushings at all three engine mounts for that same reason. Lots of vibrations, but the engine is held solid in place. Given that the gear linkage is not via cable but solid rods, this is even more important with mk II's (as well as the A1 platform like Rabbits and Sciroccos). Brgrds Brian 
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Like this? 
That is the failure I am always referring to.. Which according to the ex-spurts shouldn't be happening.. Notice the key word? Shouldn't. This are are or aren't, should and shouldn't isn't the question.. The use of the word should should be prohibited! And shouldn't shouldn't be tolerated either! John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Tony P Elite Moderator Location: Alberta, Canada Join Date: 08/21/2010 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 149 Rally Car: MK2 Golf |
Brian Klausen Elite Moderator Location: Denmark Join Date: 03/21/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 388 Rally Car: VW Golf GTi 16V |
That would be a yes for me as well - because it's my picture of my second failure
 .Brgrds Brian
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