Sand Blast 2014 penalty scandal?
Posted by Ian S
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Don't put words in my mouth. I started by asking the simple question of who appointed the committee in the first place. That's a question you dodged, when you could have admitted, in fewer words, that you appointed the members. I had absolutely no indication you had appointed the committee members until your comment a few posts later that 'your first two choices...' I don't really know you, I certainly don't know Dick Paddock, so how could I possibly make any suggestion about any one person's honesty or ability to be impartial. I wasn't. The process, however, does anything but instill confidence in the appeals process. Had you thrown the issue to the west coast NASA folks and have them appoint a committee to look at it the process would have been squeaky clean. Now, we all know the protest was bullshit at its core but does that mean reasonable process goes out the window? I really am curious how you can possibly think that you appointing the steward who's decision is being appealed to sit as the chair of the protest committee is 'OK.' First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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I don't think that that was what he was doing, even if it could have been worded better. He's also correct that having people involved in the original decision then be on the court of appeals is rather atypical. The SCCA, for example, does not allow it; in fact, members of the COA must recuse themselves if they competed at the event in question or know anyone involved. I don't see any reason to question the process here. I especially see no reason to question your integrity given the end result. But it does come across as weird and I would suggest that you all consider finding enough folks to staff a COA with no overlap with the event staff. edit: my post crossed with that above, but I'll leave it up, anyway; us trolls gotta stick together  Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2014 02:36PM by Iowa999. |
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I don't have to Morison, because you keep saying it. Here it is again, in the very post where you're responding: See there you are, discussing the process, saying you are not confident in it, which, given that your post already names the people involved, and you say you either don't know them well or don't know them at all, you're still willing to say you don't trust them to be impartial, without even knowing them. That's saying you think they (and by they I mean Anders Green and Dick Paddock) are untrustworthy. The best news, though, is you have free will. And you are free to avoid participating in any rally where you feel won't have an appeals process that inspires confidence, which naturally no racer should subjected to. And that is sweet, sweet nectar to me. If there's anything else I can do to lower your confidence in our appeals process, let me know.
Anders ps: you wouldn't BELIEVE how many unmarked $100 bills I sent to everyone on the Court of Appeals!  Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. |
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