Sand Blast 2014 penalty scandal?
Posted by Ian S
robert martai Super Moderator Location: Park ridge NJ Join Date: 02/18/2014 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 13 Rally Car: Mitsubishi Evolution X |
you just kind of doing that, making drama , dont you ? You love it i can tell you love it 
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Paulinho Ferreira Senior Moderator Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: 03/15/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 721 Rally Car: Honda Civic |
The drama John V was talking about is not about you, it was about all the people knocking on Brakim. And please don't think I'm starting drama with you, we've seen enough with the hillclimb story already. |
Ozgur Simsek Senior Moderator Location: Brooklyn, NY Join Date: 06/07/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 561 Rally Car: working on a Veedub |
robert martai Super Moderator Location: Park ridge NJ Join Date: 02/18/2014 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 13 Rally Car: Mitsubishi Evolution X |
Are you a part of the hill climb story, to make comment on it like this, in here? What Hill climb has to do with anything here? I never pick on people unless they do it first. If you see it differently please proove me wrong. |
Paulinho Ferreira Senior Moderator Location: Charlotte, NC Join Date: 03/15/2007 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 721 Rally Car: Honda Civic |
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Anders Green Mod Moderator Location: Raleigh, NC Join Date: 03/30/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,478 Rally Car: Parked |
Hi Everyone,
I haven't read this thread until now, to remain impartial. I also saw none of the facebook stuff mentioned earlier in this thread. In general I've avoided all discussion of the topic, except to complain to my wife that I wish it didn't happen. To answer some questions: 1- Bribery/extortion: Oh, come on, that's just silly. The standard protest and appeal fees listed in the route book were the fees paid. The protest fee was in the very first NRS rule book back in 2004 at $50, and the appeal fee was pinned down in 2006 at $250, and they've never changed. Cash has always been a part of protests in racing. We tend to forget that because we generally solve everything at the inquiry level. 2- I was involved only at the Inquiry (informal) level. Thank you Morison for posting the general outline of "Inquiry, then Protest, then Appeal" summary. I wasn't involved in the Protest portion (that was the Stewards) and I won't be part of any discussions that the court has. Unless they call me as a witness, which they could, but I've already written my three page recollection of facts, which I wrote before reading anything here and before reading the actual appeal. 3- The inquiries were all submitted properly, within the appropriate time frame. The protest was submitted properly, within the appropriate time frame, with the correct fee. The notice of intent to appeal was submitted properly, within the intended time frame, with the correct fee. The appeal was submitted properly, within the intended time frame. 4-
The fact that someone appealed only means that someone appealed. It doesn't speak at all to whether anyone else did or didn't disagree, and gives no insight into whether the ruling will go one way or the other. The fee isn't optional. You can't appeal without the $250. The rules say money is paid, a document is written, a court is convened and so on and so on. 5- Yep. As far as ruling on the outcome of the results of this event in any formal way, I'm kind of out of the loop. Which, for me, is actually really nice, I must say. If someone on the court, or anyone anywhere, wants to discuss NRS philosophy or intent, I would be part of that, but actually having a vote, nope. ------------------------------------- It wouldn't have been appropriate for me to post anything here until the technical aspects (writing my report, receiving the appeal) of my involvement are complete. That was the reason for me not even looking at this thread. I may or may not provide any further updates here. If I feel there is something that will educate, that would be the kind of thing I would write about. If it's someone directly asking me a gossipy bull**** question, that's the kind of thing where I will just not answer it out of spite, because I can either be working on cool new ideas that I had coming out of this rally, or I can be messing around with petty junk. I get cranky when people take away my time to work on cool things. 
In fact, I'd say pretty much any question you ask me about this appeal in particular, I'll say nothing until the court reaches a decision. And even that isn't a promise to talk about it then, because see above about cool thing time. BUT, it is an excellent time for all of you to learn a little bit more about inquiries, protests, and appeals. There's even a write up on part of this inside Rally University, called "The Art of the Inquiry": http://www.nasarallysport.com/main/Rally301 So keep learning, all of you. It's a complicated sport and we need more people to practice it at a high level.
Anders Grassroots rally. It's what I think about. |
Matt Brandenburg Senior Moderator Join Date: 03/02/2014 Posts: 96 Rally Car: BMW M3 |
I get the how the fun penalty crap works now anders don't worry I'm well studied now... if the system works then I guess it's ok and we both know we're about to find out if it works or not because we both know which way it should go.. the highlighted rule book we sent you nailed that down. route book says service, not fuel only and no bulletin was posted on it and that alone means we win but theres even more in our favor as you know. I'm sure the system will work but even then I'm not sure why we had to go through this when they even admitted we won and shook my hand and congratulated me. either I didn't understand something there (right in front of you) or maybe just bad sportsmanship? I'm not sure but not really making the sport more fun either way you know? unless they're looking for an unbeatable rival in which case count me in
(all in good fun guys) we do this for fun... as long as this is fun we will continue to do this...
I know you can't comment until its settled (hopefully tmr? lol) and I don't need you to reply we've already had our discussions no need for more unless you like of course. back to work on some new CF panels (lost a side skirt somewhere) #carbonfootprint new video coming soon.
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robert martai Super Moderator Location: Park ridge NJ Join Date: 02/18/2014 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 13 Rally Car: Mitsubishi Evolution X |
Matt Brandenburg Senior Moderator Join Date: 03/02/2014 Posts: 96 Rally Car: BMW M3 |
guys none of this matters and if you really want to see who's fastest no need to talk about it... we are race car drivers... right?
all in good fun for me here guys but I am always up for a challenge on the track and happy to talk shit before AND after the race :-P just for fun though.. you'll never catch me actually caught up in it, have fun and rally on :-P
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Ozgur Simsek Senior Moderator Location: Brooklyn, NY Join Date: 06/07/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 561 Rally Car: working on a Veedub |
Ozgur Simsek Senior Moderator Location: Brooklyn, NY Join Date: 06/07/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 561 Rally Car: working on a Veedub |
We'll see what you have to say after STPR :-) rally gods would turn in their graves if they ever knew Lada's were now part of EU rallying!!! |
robert martai Super Moderator Location: Park ridge NJ Join Date: 02/18/2014 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 13 Rally Car: Mitsubishi Evolution X |
Eric Wages Mod Moderator Location: Goose Creek, SC Join Date: 12/09/2008 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 280 Rally Car: 2002 WRX |
Ozgur Simsek Senior Moderator Location: Brooklyn, NY Join Date: 06/07/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 561 Rally Car: working on a Veedub |
Matt Brandenburg Senior Moderator Join Date: 03/02/2014 Posts: 96 Rally Car: BMW M3 |
that's what well be going for then guys
see how easy that was :-P
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