Sand Blast 2014 penalty scandal?
Posted by Ian S
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Interestingly, according to the supp regs, Anders didn't have any real authority at the event. Influence, undoubtedly, but no authority WRT event decisions.
I'm not a fan of winning by hanging paper. I know I won't inquire something that is a trivial rules violation that doesn't lend a competitive advantage. But, rules are a part of the sport, including administrative rules. FWIW: Your appeal can only really stand on the fact the notice was neither on the bulletin board nor handed out to all teams - as evidenced by you not getting one. Presumably, the organizer would have had teams sign for the bulletins if they were relying on them being handed out at a control or meeting. At the end of the day, organizers also have rules they need to follow, and that comes in to play from time to time as well. First Rally: 2001 Driver (7), Co-Driver (44) Drivers (16) Clerk (10), Official (7), Volunteer (4) Cars Built (1), Engines Built (0) Cages Built (0) Last Updated, January 4, 2015 
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Ian Seppanen Mega Moderator Location: Esko, MN Join Date: 10/19/2011 Age: Settling Down Posts: 149 Rally Car: 1991 Nissan 240SX |
You really should read the comments, there's no hate here, just questions. When all we see are angrily worded posts, and pictures of money, I'm sure you can understand why questions might be raised. As a fellow competitor, I can understand how infuriating it would be to be effectively robbed of a top podium spot by a technicality. I can also, albeit to a lesser extent, understand wanting to keep fans updated. The truth is, you put it out there, and made it seem like a scandal. Mistakes, protests, and the like happen. You blew it up and got everyone interested. By making such a big deal, it made you look guilty, at least to some people. Just my 2 cents. I didn't make this thread to do any name calling. I wanted answers to questions raised namely by your comments. Allegations of bribery effect all currant and future competitors at SB and other NRS events because it throws into question the credibility of the organizers and the stewards. If these allegations are overblown, then that is unfair to them first and foremost. Whether a tire change or something along those lines could actually effect the outcome of an event is a moot point here. Rules are part of this sport, it's what makes rally what it is. I Seppanen, Car #240 Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/02/2014 08:41PM by Ian S. |
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look at your name.. Look at your car, look at your culture.. You more than any should know. Befehl ist befehl. They even wrote a book about it 
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Yeah yeah but this is second time: Jüngling Branderburg look at your name.. Look at your car, look at your culture.. You more than any should know. Befehl ist befehl. They even wrote a book about it
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if you had a face-to-face agreement with Anders and the other protesting team(s) before the protest was filed, then yeah it's a little lame.
BUT... it is part of the co-driver's job to do everything by the letter of the rules (anal retentive if you want to call it that) and, if necessary, get that shit in writing. Could they have gotten that with (what I assume would be a second) inquiry, instead of a protest? Maybe, I don't know. (in part, I say this as someone involved in a 3+ year battle with some insurance companies, because we trusted that a verbal request was enough, and didn't get that shit in writing...)  KF7RWG 
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Thanks man and yes I'm proud of the team regardless of the results of this everyone on the team did phenomenal it's just sad we may lose our first place following all posted rules and bulletins and sup regs (they still say service not fuel only) either way all we really learned is that the system is a bit messy and win or lose you may just lose... we had fun we rallied and we WON thats that.
It was nice to meet you bro! Super bummed you guys pop'd the engine from mom and pop BP fuel thats a real pisser we had already heard you were the team to beat so to have it come down to something like this instead of racing with fast guys just sucks... look forward to running with you in the future!! heard your cars a beast 
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