Dazed_Driver Banned Infallible Moderator Location: John and Skyes Magic Love liar Join Date: 08/24/2007 Posts: 2,154 |
That. Like I said, there are other very easy ways to kill lots of people. Welcome to the cult of JVL drink the koolaid or be banned. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Yeah yeah, whatever Lane, that happens every other month. How could we overlook that? The illogic that you sort use, typical false premise "We can't stop it all, that means we can't even try to do anything" is tired. And lame. Guess Rush didn't tell you what to think about good enough. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
JohnLane John Lane Senior Moderator Location: Lynden Washington Join Date: 01/14/2006 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 725 Rally Car: The Fire Breathing Monster |
You recall why the crazies got turned loose.... The Courts did that.... A dollar in a bet says that we'd see a net savings in tax dollars by keeping the crazies medicated and managed rather then dealing with them in via the Criminal Justice system. Our friends in Government are not starved for money.... Of course if you want to give them more.... Do! JohnLane Overkill is consistently more fun |
heymagic Banned Godlike Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
Jason,
High capacity magazines afford a deadly hail of uninterrupted fire. Gun jamming has saved many lives lately but low count mags may be helpful. Yes you can change a clip, but doing so requires realizing you are out of ammo, dropping your eyes, finding another clip, orienting the clip properly, loading clip successfully and , depending on the gun, refreshing the chamber. Even pro shooters fumble clips on tuned hot rod guns. With an amatuer shooter it has to work in the crowds favor. Not a cure but I think it would be potential help. Guns and gun owners are an easy, definitive target. Mental illness is much more difficult and people like the easy button. Storms a coming. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
That, like I said, you're so naive its pitiful... The subject isn't if keyboard fantasy boys can imagine all kinds of ways that somebody else could easily kill people, the subject is how easy it is for the imbeciles and mental cases who are actually--ya know like real life-n-stuff, currently killing lots of people. Thousands annually.. now and every year....every day.. FBI: Firearms were used in 67.8 percent of the nation’s murders, 41.3 percent of robberies, and 21.2 percent of aggravated assaults (data on weapons used during forcible rapes is not collected). 14,103 in 2010----13,913 in 2011. by weapon: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-20 gee no data for diesel and fertilizer bombs, those oafs, how could they overlook that? http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-10 John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Dazed_Driver Banned Infallible Moderator Location: John and Skyes Magic Love liar Join Date: 08/24/2007 Posts: 2,154 |
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john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
Yes I recall, at least for the State of California. it was much the same elsewhere. You couldn't possibly recall since you were either not born or were an infant.... Here's an overview since Rush didn't tell you: http://www.pendari.com/dmh/books/funding_publicmental_health/files/dmh_funding.pdf
Further, the irresponsible Initiative of the greedy and shortsighted, you know the ones who have been ruining the country for decades, the people who think --if it can be called that---like you:
There you go John, once again do you recall that now? You have to learn to listen to something other than where ever you glean your information now cause you are invariably wrong--especially anything that happened more than a week ago. Prop 13 capped Property Tax increases to something like 1% a year while actual property values in both SoCal and NorCal were averaging 24-30% per year... You're a big real estate wheeler dealer, you can see how those gredy fucks wanted it both ways, they want to inflated bubble sales prices but they don't want their taxes to reflect the price they can get... Greed, and so loonies get kicked out, medicated in "Community clincs " cause it's cheaper.... It's the stingy man who pays the most. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/18/2012 01:38AM by john vanlandingham. |
john vanlandingham John Vanlandingham Ultra Moderator Location: Ford Asylum, Sleezattle, WA Join Date: 12/20/2005 Age: Fossilized Posts: 14,152 Rally Car: Saab 96 V4 |
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Yeah I recall this, Lane you were what 7? 8 years old then?? You'd be an unusual boy if you did. John Vanlandingham Sleezattle, WA, USA Vive le Prole-le-ralliat www.rallyrace.net/jvab CALL +1 206 431-9696 Remember! Pacific Standard Time is 3 hours behind Eastern Standard Time. |
Mad Matt F Matt Follett Senior Moderator Location: La Belle Province, Montreal Join Date: 03/13/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 645 Rally Car: Don't Laugh, the Justy is Fun! |
I'll jump in here... WTF.
Yeah there are a lot of issues... and I think it's a combination of societal outlook, parental values, and WEAPONS control. Fist off, as Grant pointed out the move towards 2 income families (for whatever...) has lead to a loss in parental upbringing and TIME with our kids. Everybody knows being a bully is bad, we (the generalized "we" just don't have TIME to find out from our kids if they are being bullied or being THE bully. We are more and more putting the incredibly complex and difficult task of imparting societal values on our young ones in the hands of others. Why do I bring up the latest buzz word "bully", because the bully is someone who marginalizes another. That marginalized kid gets put down, pissed off, and possibly somewhere down the road takes action. If Mom or Dad knew that little Billy was teasing Bobby for being short, fat, stupid, wrong shoes, whatever, (because they had teh time to ask how was Billys day) and said "Billy, how do you think that makes Bobby feel, maybe we should think about how much that hurts Bobby..." They there would be less pissed off Bobby's... Then there's the whole "protect myself, my kids, my home" F-that. Protect all of us, protect your neighbour, protect their home, their kids, by imparting the observational skills that sees that little Bobby is feeling hurt because sombodies little Tommy is being mean. Step in and step up. I use guns. I hunt (or I did hunt, haven't in a long time). I learned to hunt from my father and my grandfather. I learned to hunt with a single shot (well actually an over under .22/410). One shot, not 10. Hit your tarket, or don't take the shot. That's humane, that's safe, and it means I don't need a even a 10 shot magazine. Okay, allow 3 shots for birds... cause I know in a fly over I can hit more than one bird. But I only get one tag for deer... so I only really need one bullet. Hand guns are for one purpose... and we don't need that, that's what we're trying to stop! (unless you're really gonna start hunting zombie's). Sure, you can build a bomb. But that takes time, and effort, and skill, and in that time, if we're more observant, we can ask Bobby, why are you spending all that time in the shed? Na I change my mind. Everybody should have guns, really big ones, no bombs, no, actually I want a fighter jet. YEAH that makes the same sense as "being armed for self defense" Everybody should get a fighter jet. That way, not only am I defended from the crazy down the street, I'm defended from the crazy across the pond, and the ones from space! Fighter jets are the new CCW! YEAH! |
NoCoast Grant Hughes Ultra Moderator Location: Whitefish, MT Join Date: 01/11/2006 Age: Midlife Crisis Posts: 6,818 Rally Car: BMW |
I keep waiting for the homemade rockets that are being built in Palestine to bomb Israeli neighborhood to be used here in the US in a domestic attack. You could build one of those for next to nothing using readily available materials and a few hundred in Harbor Freight tools.
We talked about having a bomb club at one point. Then we decided it was probably a bad idea so we just all went to the shop to drink beer while the women were doing a knitting club. Voila, out comes some fireworks, then shows up the SWAT team and about 100 officers surround our 5000 sq ft shop and 15000 lot. Someone called in a gun fight so they showed up in serious force. Thank god we weren't having bomb squad and were instead working on rally cars and drinking beer and letting off a few fireworks. Mitch gave them $1k worth of fireworks he'd picked up on way back from Laughlin and they left without arresting anyone or issuing citations. A few people got cuffed and talked to for a bit but eventually it all was fine. Ironically someone called the women right away but by time they got there the police were gone, road was back open, and it appeared nothing had ever happened. Grant Hughes |
heymagic Banned Godlike Moderator Location: La la land Join Date: 01/25/2006 Age: Fossilized Posts: 3,740 Rally Car: Not a Volvo |
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alkun Albert Kun Professional Moderator Location: SF Ca. Join Date: 01/07/2008 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 1,732 Rally Car: volvo 242 |
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Dazed_Driver Banned Infallible Moderator Location: John and Skyes Magic Love liar Join Date: 08/24/2007 Posts: 2,154 |
http://www.leg.state.or.us/richardson/newsletter/newsletters_2012/newsletter_121712.htm
Interesting article, one part stuck out in particular... " By sad coincidence a mad-man in China also entered an elementary school last Friday and used a knife to stab 22 children. In other words, instead of responding to the latest mass murder with calls for more gun-control, the real issue should be ensuring the protection of our children and educators from armed psychopaths. " Where there's a will, there's a way... Fix the problem, don't take away tools. Welcome to the cult of JVL drink the koolaid or be banned. |
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Jay Jay Woodward Senior Moderator Location: Snohomish, WA Join Date: 12/21/2005 Age: Possibly Wise Posts: 893 Rally Car: '90 Mazdog Frankenprotege |
Aaaaaand it looks like it's confirmed that the asshole in the Clackamas shopping mall encountered a shopper with a cwp and a handgun. Shopper didn't fire due to people behind the target but the target responded by ducking round a corner and offing himself.
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